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Old 05-31-2008, 06:03 AM   #9476
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Monta has a gross midrange game.
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Old 05-31-2008, 06:05 AM   #9477
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dammit t0ne, i can't look at that pic without hearing Dot Com sing "Ordinary Love"
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Old 05-31-2008, 07:25 AM   #9478
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Look, fact is Monta Ellis shot over 50% from the floor on a team that otherwise shot poorly and has pedestrian 3pt %s. You tell me a team with Wade/Ellis will have trouble scoring and I say gtfo.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:00 AM   #9479
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Look, fact is Monta Ellis shot over 50% from the floor on a team that otherwise shot poorly and has pedestrian 3pt %s. You tell me a team with Wade/Ellis will have trouble scoring and I say gtfo.
People are exaggerating about this offense. They will score very easily. Three guys that have proven they can get it done in the lane against anyone (I don't really know how Chambers played) at a very high %. Still, that's not where their problem is. I really don't see this team being effective on the defensive end. I really don't see this team being healthy a lot (I'm saying that!!?!??!?!?!) And not having good 3 point shooters is noooo good (I'm saying that!?!?!??!?!?!?!)

Leaving for the Cape in 15 minutes...4 hour drive and it's going to rain. Just my luck.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:27 AM   #9480
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My team will be scoring a ton in transition with the speed of wade and ellis on fast breaks. My defense wont be great, but it will be forcing a lot of turnovers and the paint will be defended well with Bynum inside. How will any team develop a post presence when I will be setting up double teams and all sorts of trap defenses with the quickness of Wade and Ellis. Its going to be pretty difficult to score against my team. Although each individual player might not be a good defender, together the speed of these group of guys will reek havoc on any offense.

From what I remember of chambers he was a faster way more athletic version of dirk, with not as much range ( up to 20 footers ) but had great speed and none of the 4's in the league can stay with him on the outside. There will be people like Garnet, Odom, D rob and so on those types can certainly stick with him, but if the defense has to designate any of those defenders to Chambers on the perimiter it will open the driving lanes for Wade and Ellis. Also my team will be forcing a lot of fouls and getting to the foul line a ton. The way the league is officiated now, the guards have more advantage than the centers. Back in the 90's centers and forwards were pretty high value because the game was reffed in their favor, this is no longer the case as the guards have the heavy edge in this now. Final 2 minutes of the game, who gets the ball wade or Shaq-ewing-dwight-amare. Fact of the matter is big men are easily double teamed and made in-effective offensively, their major value is on the defensive end and rebounding. I have a guy who is great at both.

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Old 05-31-2008, 09:52 AM   #9481
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NoPairParker, I think you're vastly overrating how good Wade/Ellis are at double teaming the post. At the college level, guard speed can indeed influence the opposing team's post play considerably. However, in the NBA the spacing and court awareness is usually so good that the guard's double teams are not a huge factor in post defense, but rather the defense of your actual post players is.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:58 AM   #9482
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Anybody want to critique Pippen, Daugherty, Ellis, Kaman?
Love the Pippen pick obviously, no other pick stands out to me as great value. Overall seems solid....good efficiency and definitely enough bulk on offense, solid defense. Obviously besides Pip you lack a playmaker, but I'm assuming you're going to address that soon enough.

Hindsight being 20/20, I would've loved to have seen you gone with: Pippen, Moncrief, and Charles Oakley in the first 3 rounds to form some amazing defense(obviously I can't name names of possible guys you could've taken with the 4th pick since they havn't been drafted yet).


Overall, not a bad team. Nothing spectacular, so it may be tough to see them winning our league, but definitely not close to the worst team either.
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:31 PM   #9483
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To all the people who earlier in this thread laughed when I said Kobe could be considered better than Jordan once it's all said and done, it looks like Mark Jackson and JVG are both starting to agree (as well as others).
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:34 PM   #9484
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To all the people who earlier in this thread laughed when I said Kobe could be considered better than Jordan once it's all said and done, it looks like Mark Jackson and JVG are both starting to agree (as well as others).
Sampling problem with these guys. It's not even close yet to being on the same planet. Defensively Jordan gave a ton more effort. Also Jordan led his team to 6 titles, let's see KB get 1 first.
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:37 PM   #9485
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Sampling problem with these guys. It's not even close yet to being on the same planet. Defensively Jordan gave a ton more effort. Also Jordan led his team to 6 titles, let's see KB get 1 first.
I never said Kobe was better than Jordan if Kobe retired today, i'm just saying it's possible that Kobe will be better than Jordan once Kobe retires (in like 7-8 years).
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:44 PM   #9486
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There is no way Kobe will ever be better than Jordan, not a chance in hell. Stop this nonsense.
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:48 PM   #9487
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1 thing KB has is he'll probally not try to retire twice, I guess if he does that he could eventually be better.
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:49 PM   #9488
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Kobe's just never gonna touch that 89-90 Jordan that creamed the Lakers in the finals. He's almost as good as, say, 32 year old Jordan, I guess.
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:56 PM   #9489
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Of course the guy drafting before me is missing for like 2 days, ugh.
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:00 PM   #9490
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He hasn't been in this forum since he drafted 10 days ago either.
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:03 PM   #9491
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I'll take his team
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:27 PM   #9492
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I never said Kobe was better than Jordan if Kobe retired today, i'm just saying it's possible that Kobe will be better than Jordan once Kobe retires (in like 7-8 years).
which is impossible, and I couldn't care less what TV pundits have to say about it.
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:31 PM   #9493
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Kobe's only real advantage over Jordan is longevity. But Jordan's peak was long enough, and so otherworldly, that longevity isn't going to be enough to overcome it, no matter what.
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:39 PM   #9494
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To all the people who earlier in this thread laughed when I said Kobe could be considered better than Jordan once it's all said and done, it looks like Mark Jackson and JVG are both starting to agree (as well as others).
ePiPen,

You've continually used ESPN analysts as the backbone of several of your arguments. You used Charles' Barkley's analysis heavily regarding McHale.

Yes these guys who played/coached the game have a unique perspective that we don't have. However, they're also very biased, and for the most part their analysis is no better than ours(in fact, in most cases I think its much worse). I don't see why you continue to use them then. Of course they're going to bring up the Kobe vs MJ thing...its called hyping up the Finals.
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:39 PM   #9495
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and that only exists because Jordan's mini-retirement and then retired when he still had another 2 or 3 years left in the tank if he wanted to.
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Old 05-31-2008, 02:25 PM   #9496
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Kobe's only real advantage over Jordan is longevity. But Jordan's peak was long enough, and so otherworldly, that longevity isn't going to be enough to overcome it, no matter what.
and 3pt shooting
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Old 05-31-2008, 02:28 PM   #9497
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ePiPen,

You've continually used ESPN analysts as the backbone of several of your arguments. You used Charles' Barkley's analysis heavily regarding McHale.

Yes these guys who played/coached the game have a unique perspective that we don't have. However, they're also very biased, and for the most part their analysis is no better than ours(in fact, in most cases I think its much worse). I don't see why you continue to use them then. Of course they're going to bring up the Kobe vs MJ thing...its called hyping up the Finals.
I didn't use Charles Barkley's analysis heavily, I just mentioned it, it was far from the main point in my argument.

My main point is that McHale scored a bunch of points while being ridiculously efficent, had the best post moves ever and was practically unstopable on the block, had a great jump shot(infact i'd say he is the 2nd surest 2 points in basketball when u take into account that the only person I feel was better was Shaq and u could foul him unlike McHale), was a great defender, and a very good rebounder. He didn't pass much, but he always COULD pass, he just didn't (I think coaching could change this like Phil Jackson who made Jordan/Kobe a lot more willing passers, remember Jordan/Kobe were never willing passers until later in their careers). McHale really had no weakness at all.

If he hadn't played on a broken foot, hadn't came off the bench for 5+ years, and actually got a chance to lead at team, he would be rated imo as the best PF of all time (Duncan imo is a center).
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Old 05-31-2008, 02:35 PM   #9498
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and 3pt shooting
it's not really much an advantage when you really aren't that good at it and overall you score less efficiently than Jordan does.
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Old 05-31-2008, 02:36 PM   #9499
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ah the classic epippen hypothetical parlays
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Old 05-31-2008, 03:23 PM   #9500
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goddamnit epi noone gives a **** about mchale anymore
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