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Old 05-30-2008, 06:52 PM   #9401
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Well not just that but just athletically he could do things that alot of guys just couldn't do. He could score with the best of the scorers and he was freakish athletically. Being able to take over in clutch spots is huge in the NBA that's basically what separates the good players from the elite level players. I bet the Hornets wish they had someone that could take the game over in Game 7 vs the Spurs instead of having Jannero Pargo shoot the ball every time down when the game was on the line. That's what happens when you don't have anyone that can take a game over in the clutch. You have Jannero Pargo deciding the game for you. On the contrary you have a guy like Kobe. Last night when the game got down to like 2 or whatever with just under 4 minutes left I told my friend, "watch Kobe won't pass again for the rest of the game" and I think he passed once because he pretty much had to. He took the game over. I'm telling you very few players can do that in high pressure situations when every one knows they are gonna get the ball.
JUst reiterating my above point...this is SUCH selective memory here.
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Old 05-30-2008, 06:54 PM   #9402
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I agree that he went in a good spot, I don't agree that him being 'hard to build around' is a legitimate knock against him. His obvious flaws are TOs, and low efficiency.
For those who don't consider AI tough to build around....


Which good player in your opinion is tough(or tougher than other good players) to build around?


AI seems like the #1 example to me of a good individual player but someone who you have to very much taylor your team to.
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Old 05-30-2008, 06:54 PM   #9403
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With the 147th pick in the post-1980 draft, mmbt0ne selects....

Mr. Jackie Christie



Fills in my 3 spot very nicely.

He's not a super offensive force (unnecessary) but can hit 3's (perfect) play in a fast paced offense (perfect) and lock down some defense (wow, this works out well).

While his scoring went down as he aged, his 3 pt % went up and his defensive rating went down. From ages 29-31 (the prime of my team) he put up Dratings of 99-101-98 while playing on the fastest, fastest and 4th fastest teams. 2nd team all defense 3 times, first team all defense once, 7 times in the top 5 in steals per game, and 17th all time in steals/game.

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PG - Steve Nash
SG - Manu Ginobili
SF - Doug Christie
PF - Anthony Mason
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:00 PM   #9404
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I thought it was obvious that the warning must come and then you must break it again to be penalized(otherwise you never got warned). I have been warned.
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:02 PM   #9405
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Do league rules require he drafts Jackie Christie with the next pick? Because they should.
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:05 PM   #9406
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I disagree with this completely(you quoted a guy saying we're getting carried away with efficiency numbers and stuff).

If you watch the games you'll come back with "OMG Vince Carter is awesome" type of stuff and "Man Tim Duncan is pretty damn unspectacular."

When you crunch the efficiency and defensive numbers, you come back with what wins basketball games imo.
So, Assani, how did the Warriors win 48 games, including many against top teams, despite having one of the least efficient and wost defensive teams?
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:06 PM   #9407
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the Doug Christie pick.
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:10 PM   #9408
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So, Assani, how did the Warriors win 48 games, including many against top teams, despite having one of the least efficient and wost defensive teams?
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:42 PM   #9409
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the Doug Christie pick.
tyty, I was very happy with it.
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:44 PM   #9410
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Round 4 , Pick 148

Bill Cartwright



I fleshed out my back court with my first three picks, and now it's time to get a front court together. With that in mind, I choose Bill Cartwright. First, let's get the negatives out of the way. Injuries. He missed his entire age 27 season with a broken foot, and played only 2 games of his age 28 season as well. Now, I know my stance on injuries is not shared by all, but even I'm willing to concede that a big man with foot injuries is not a freak injury. So, while he might not get hurt the exact same way, he's almost assured to have foot problems at some point in his new career. However, with Tracy McGrady's bad back also an issue, I need to build for the short term more than the long, and I should get several productive seasons at the very least.

Now, the good. First of all, he is one of the most efficient players left on the board. His career TS% was .588. In his prime, he was regularly over .600, topping out at .637 pre-foot injuries. This efficiency is not due to an Andris Biedrins type of usage though, as at his peak he had a usage rate of between 20-21%, which is the role I forsee him playing on this team. He also holds the distinction of being an above average free throw shooter while using this form, which might be the most impressive part of his game.

Raw numbers wise, he averaged 13 and 6, but much higher at the beginning of his careeer, putting up 20 and 8 the two season before I get him. On the negative side, his defense is nothing to write home about, with a pedestrian defensive rating and defensive win shares and an underwhelming rebound percentage for a big man. However, at this stage of the draft, there are no complete players available, especially at center, and so I went with scoring efficiency over a defensive whiz and offensive liability. My next pick will have to pick up the slack in that area.

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PG Tony Parker
SG Hersey Hawkins
SF Tracy McGrady
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C Bill Cartwright
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:44 PM   #9411
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Christie pick is nice, but I hate him.
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:16 PM   #9412
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ditto.

Medical Bill! I was hoping to get him maybe in like the 8th. Man was he sick pre-injury.
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:18 PM   #9413
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cartwright is awesome, but not someone I was looking at due to injury + Robinson
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:33 PM   #9414
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hey guys this is bobbo on tbach's computer, i'm going to be traveling all day tomorrow so i wont be around (if the picks get back to me will just have to wait!) i can't comment on anything now but dont worry, i'll likely rebump everything tomorrow. (was busy moving today) going to watch Cs game now.
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:42 PM   #9415
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Oh no what would we ever do without Bobbo's commentary
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:51 PM   #9416
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Man I ****ing hate moving.
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:53 PM   #9417
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Lot of the picks among these last 10 or so have been pretty good fits and good value. I'm scratching guys off my list left and right. Nopair is going to get skipped imo.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:06 PM   #9418
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Lot of the picks among these last 10 or so have been pretty good fits and good value. I'm scratching guys off my list left and right. Nopair is going to get skipped imo.
Yeah, we've stalled on him before.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:28 PM   #9419
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just woke up, will make my pick soon
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:33 PM   #9420
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just woke up, will make my pick soon
sweet dude, don't pick my guy plz.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:35 PM   #9421
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k just pm who they are and i wont pick them
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:41 PM   #9422
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lol, just pick who you want man.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:42 PM   #9423
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this is amazing stuff right here
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:49 PM   #9424
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Nopair u got skipped silly pants
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:06 PM   #9425
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ok im going with monta ellis
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