exactly (just draft trying to build a franchise forgot about post-draft nonsense leave that for the mouth breathers)

So is the life cycle of this seasons from starting date or age, or what? Also who is going to decide what kind of production my young player is going to have in season 10. Or who is going to decide what if Grant Hill never got hurt what his production would be? IDK, the after-game is going to get kinda rediculous to track and make decisions on.

I actually agree with KC that we should draft now and worry about those details later.

who says we need anything post-draft anyway? if the only reason is that we want the self-satisfaction of having the best team, we should all just sit around auto-fellating ourselves worshiping God McHale (ldo) and all of the other guys who would be top 5 picks if they hadn't have gotten hurt, or were in the right system, or didn't have other problems.

Because it would be fun

Kaman is 26, has played five seasons in the NBA plus another three in college, and has probably reached his ceiling, Biedrins is 22, has played four seasons and gotten a lot less playing time, and made pretty big improvements the last two years, I think it's pretty reasonable to say that he can still improve. One reason for his lower playing time is because he fouled so much, but he has gotten better at staying out of foul trouble so in the next few years he could be a top 10 center in the league if he isn't already.

Some thoughts catching up:

I really don't like how you have built your team Tbach. I think that each pick that you've made can be considered a strong pick as individual picks, but you've created a team with a huge amount of risk. The correct strategy would be to surround Kemp and Hill with high stability players, and you pretty much went in the opposite direction of that.

Its a lot easier to argue that one high reward high risk player than 4. I don't know how you can expect us to just ignore all the risk on your squad.

Kaman > Beidrins.

Just checked in and saw there are 4 picks before me. I will be back later tonight to make a pick if I am up.

Just woke up and off to the WSOP, but I wanted to say that Durant imo is the steal of the draft so far. He was one of my 6(only one remains now). I didn't want to take him because he doesn't mesh with my team, but I absolutely would've taken him next round and maybe used him as a 6th man and drafted my starter later. Imo, looking back on this draft 3 years from now, we're going to laugh at how far he fell.

I mean seriously, barring injury, his floor is someone like Melo who went in the 2nd round. His ceiling is top 10 overall talent. And he goes in the 4th round....crazy value imo.

Why? Is his goal to field a competitive but never championship team? The beauty of his team prior to the Durant pick, was that when things go well its the best team in the league. A legit shot at multiple championships. If he takes Hill+ solid players he will most likely have a solid team, never a great one. With Kemp and S, he can roll to the title, or flame out.

See this is funny. We're only 4 picks into this baby. Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "huge amount of risk" but Hill was very good for awhile, and during this stretch so will be Sabonis and Kemp. So I'll have three guys who can play 4-6 seasons very well, where my team will be elite. At the same time, Durant will be developing into a nice player, where he won't have to shoulder too much risk, will see what it's like to play in a very competitive and winning atmosphere and develop into a player somewhere between 'Melo and Kobe IMO (and Assani's IMO as well). So long as I surround him with other players who have decent careers, I've got pretty good prospects in terms of my team doing well in the future.

Couple this with the fact that he'll be young when your teams are old and I think I'm doing pretty good in this thing.

BTW, I was trying to think of why Durant hasn't been drafted until now, and it makes a lot of sense. Who wants to wait on a great player? That's why he lasted until the 4th round (although Bobbo actually talked me out of drafting him 3rd round). It's not because he doesn't have it, it's because to be competitive right away, he's not going to help you, unless he's your 3rd or 4th player drafted.

The passing of time
And all of its crimes
Is making me sad again
The passing of time
And all of its sickening crimes
Is making me sad again
But don't forget the songs
That made you cry
And the songs that saved your life
Yes, you're older now
And you're a clever swine
But they were the only ones who ever stood by you

Agreed. My reasons for liking Durant are the same as ones for Chris Paul. People automatically assume youth equals uncertainty equals bad, but not when the range is between borderline all-star and top 5 generational superstar.

And I'm listening to Umut Gokcen and Ulrich Schnauss - "Between Us and Them" (Umut's Paradise Mix)

can a mod edit this in plz

Round 4 Pick 134

Jason Terry





I had been targeting Mark Jackson with this pick as my team needed a floor leader and who better than the #2 all-time assist leader. Alas, he was taken so I decided to bolster my lineup with Jason Terry aka JET. Terry is not a true point and normally struggles to guard the 2, but with MJ on the team he can play the role of a combo guard much in the mold of current NBA prospect Jerryd Bayless. Terry is one of the most durable players in the league only missing 12 games over his 8 year career.

With Terry leading the fast break and J-Smoove and MJ running on the wings my fast break-offense will be devastating and will thrive off of superior defense and blocks coming from Smith and Camby. Terry is also a pure shooter that can’t be left alone. His career PER of 17.7 is excellent value at this stage of the draft and career TS% of .554 is phenomenal for a scoring guard. Shooting 38% from 3pt land over his career will help spread the court and not allow his defender to gravitate towards MJ. One of his main weaknesses is his defense, but mainly because he was always asked to guard a normally bigger 2 guard. On my team MJ will handle the 2 leaving Terry to defend against most PGs. His blazing speed allows for him to drive and dish to a cutting Smith and Jordan much like the Memphis Tigers did this past season. I have probably fielded the most athletic team so far and Terry only adds more athleticism.

Age 24
19ppg
5.7apg
1.8 steals per game
19.2 PER
.549 TS%

Team So Far

G-Michael Jordan
G-Jason Terry
F-Josh Smith
F/C- Marcus Camby
F-

Ok, will be picking shortly. No more 30 hour wait!

So excited!

agree with this completely

I still think it did no harm to quote someone elses post who had already mention the player and mention him again. With that said....

I apologize to everyone for breaking the rule, and it won't happen again.



Finally though, Clark, I think it was pretty "toolish" of you to be the biggest breakers of the rule early on because you on your own decided that it wouldn't influence other people, but then later on you on your own decide that it will so it needs to stop.



Regardless, we've all made some mistakes here. I apologize to tbach, you, and everyone else for mine.

btw Clark,

I posted the Harper>Mookie comment partly just to joke at you, but I also am legitimately interested in debating it if you'd like to. Did you consider Harper at all, and if so why didn't you take him? Again, not trying to bash your pick...just starting a friendly debate.

I really disagree with this when using your definition of elite, which seems to be the ability to put up 25-30 points on poor efficiency. I will agree with you that there are only so many great efficient scorers who score in bulk(but Nique doesn't do that).

I obviously can't name names of undrafted players, but theres a ton of guys who could put up big numbers inefficiently.

I disagree with this completely(you quoted a guy saying we're getting carried away with efficiency numbers and stuff).

If you watch the games you'll come back with "OMG Vince Carter is awesome" type of stuff and "Man Tim Duncan is pretty damn unspectacular."

When you crunch the efficiency and defensive numbers, you come back with what wins basketball games imo.

Assani,

On the player naming, I admitted your position had merit once the "hall of famers" were gone early on. I agree I pushed the joke too far - you are right. However, I have spent a lot of time enforcing your rule since that time and I think it's a good one, and an even more important rule the later it goes in the draft.

I did consider all the PGs who went around Mookie (Cassell, Harper, Brandon), but Mookie was significantly better on D than any of them imo, and really not all that much worse on offense considering he's likely a 10ppg guy on my team. He turns the ball over rarely, at his peak was a 9 assist guy, and does everything my team needs him to do. He really was good at disturbing another teams offense, and was good at running the break, which I think my team will be able to do selectively given how many TOs are caused by Nance, Ewing and himself.

I don't think that he's way better than any of them and think that they are all really close in value, to the point of being irrelevant. I would've traded down again had I been more available, but I was on vacation and didn't have time to shop around and didn't want to slow everyone up.

The whole "he can take over a game" is selectively memory from watching games(surprise surprise...watching a game and then evaluating isn't a great way to do things because we're selectively biased). You remember his great games in which it seemed like he couldn't miss, but you forget the other ones which are responsible for his low efficiency numbers.

I thought it was obvious that the warning must come and then you must break it again to be penalized(otherwise you never got warned). I have been warned.