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Old 05-30-2008, 03:33 PM   #9351
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I've seen both play kind of a lot, and I don't even think it's close that Kaman>Biedrins. Are you thinking about the Kaman from this year? It could easily be because Brand was out, but Kaman looked money this whole year.

Kaman's mid-range jumper was pretty consistent, has a decent amount of post moves, and can finish near the hoop. I think his advantage in offense is way more than whatever gap there is on defense. Some say Biedrins is a good defender in a really bad system, i personally believe he has the tools, but isn't there yet.
Read my post again. I agree Kaman is like way better than Beans at real basketball. I was saying the opposite opinion was nuts.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:34 PM   #9352
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KLJ,

Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant that not only do I get him now when he's already an above average (better than that IMO) player in the NBA, but I also get him at 24, when all your guys are 29, then at 28, when all your guys are 33 and old and over the hill.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:36 PM   #9353
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Brent Barry: too early, imo. he's pretty efficient, plays above average defense, shoots well and can play both the guard positions. you state that he was good but never got playing time, but the only time he had more then 14 points per 36 minutes was his first few years in the league with the clippers. about the same durability as JRich in terms of jumper (read: ankle) injuries.
Don't forget that Barry excelled in Seattle when he got major playing time. With KJ and 'Nique I got two guys who can drop 30+ on any given night. Barry is exactly what I need in a SG. Deadly from behind the arc, but doesn't need the ball and is willing and able to give it up if his shot isn't there.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:36 PM   #9354
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I thought you got them at 24. Am I missing something?
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:37 PM   #9355
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:37 PM   #9356
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Soemthing like "players who aren't 24 yet, you get them at their current age"
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:38 PM   #9357
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Read my post again. I agree Kaman is like way better than Beans at real basketball. I was saying the opposite opinion was nuts.
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KLJ,

Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant that not only do I get him now when he's already an above average (better than that IMO) player in the NBA, but I also get him at 24, when all your guys are 29, then at 28, when all your guys are 33 and old and over the hill.
to both of you. two misunderstandings by me in a span of like 5 posts. solid.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:39 PM   #9358
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mmbt0ne, where are you???
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:40 PM   #9359
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picks-wise we're not really in a hurry because sergsz can't pick probably until monday. so we're looking to knock out 8 picks in the next few days. should be pretty easy.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:40 PM   #9360
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ok tbach.

Still doesn't change what I think of the pick, though.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:45 PM   #9361
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level?

you do get DH at 22.
I re-read the rules, i was wrong and deleted it.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:00 PM   #9362
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I thought long and hard about taking Kaman over Sammy, but couldn't find a good reason for it. Terrible efficiency, slightly worse rebounding, and has been a great defender for a shorter span. I'm not seeing it.

Love the Durant pick.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:06 PM   #9363
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sammy >>> kaman especially for your team. no way some sketchy white dude fits in your locker room
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:14 PM   #9364
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lol @ hoping KD turns into t-mac. McGrady's a huge chucker and is only saved by the fact that he can rebound and pass.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:16 PM   #9365
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I think Durant was a great value for mid-4th but I would have preferred seeing him on a team with an ironman like Malone who will play until he's 40 than on a team with a 5-year window. You're right that all of our guys will be old when Durant comes into his prime, but your center will be 36 and your small forward might have broken in half by then.

Like I said, great value, but I think his value could be even higher on a different squad.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:20 PM   #9366
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I don't think I said I want KD to turn into T-Mac, just was comparing 19 year old players who have gone on to be all-stars
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:25 PM   #9367
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my center will be waaaaay older than 36 when KD hits hit prime. he'll be long gone by then.

also, what are the rules for teams with players who will retire? this has never been addressed.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:28 PM   #9368
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my center will be waaaaay older than 36 when KD hits hit prime. he'll be long gone by then.

also, what are the rules for teams with players who will retire? this has never been addressed.
Good question. Are we assuming that only 2-3 guys are locked up long-term? Or is everyone on a contract for life? It really affects the strategy for the later rounds if we can count on dumping projects that fizzled and replenishing our bench every few years.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:29 PM   #9369
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yeah it has. league continues as normal, drafting new talent every year.

the average talent level drops significantly every year until all the players finally retire. we're starting with a draft class that's 30x deeper than those in real life.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:30 PM   #9370
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also i'd assume that we have them under contract for life, but can release them at any time. shorter contracts and trading make things infinitely more complicated
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:30 PM   #9371
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I don't think I said I want KD to turn into T-Mac, just was comparing 19 year old players who have gone on to be all-stars
Yeah, but he's still a chucker. And Melo isn't exactly great either.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:32 PM   #9372
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the thing is there are no salaries, free agency, etc. to affect things. also how are we going to decide when someone starts to crumble in this game, role dice? i don't think what happens after the draft has really been set. I know there is a thread but I don't know the viability after the draft of how this will last. I'll do it but I'm not sure what will happen.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:33 PM   #9373
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the thing is there are no salaries, free agency, etc. to affect things. also how are we going to decide when someone starts to crumble in this game, role dice? i don't think what happens after the draft has really been set. I know there is a thread but I don't know the viability after the draft of how this will last. I'll do it but I'm not sure what will happen.
yeah. i think we should be drafting how we would if we were to actually start a franchise, not to angle-shoot some post-draft "playoff system" with some technicality or something.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:35 PM   #9374
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also i'd assume that we have them under contract for life, but can release them at any time. shorter contracts and trading make things infinitely more complicated
This is veering too far into the post-draft discussion, so I'll make it brief:

Lifetime contracts unless we dump them. A trading/free agency period will be available between hypothetical seasons.

Just my .02
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:36 PM   #9375
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the thing is there are no salaries, free agency, etc. to affect things. also how are we going to decide when someone starts to crumble in this game, role dice? i don't think what happens after the draft has really been set. I know there is a thread but I don't know the viability after the draft of how this will last. I'll do it but I'm not sure what will happen.
I liked having "seasons" where we rank how each of the teams would do 1-40 in an 82 (or actually more like 78 (play each other team 2x) season. Then top 16 teams make the playoffs.
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