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Old 05-09-2008, 04:32 AM   #901
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Obviously it's not the only stat that matters (or even close), but I find it interesting that 7 of the first 16 picks are players that in their entire careers have never won a championship. I think, based on the evidence presented in their careers presently, that a lot of people have been left out in favor of more trendy choices so far (I won't comment on specifics, but I'm still salivating even though I don't pick until #30).
Don't worry, Robert Horry will still be available @ 30.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:34 AM   #902
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Titles can be quite luck based. Management, conference, seeding, Jordan era all have big influences on ability to get a title. Remember too that its a team sport. Citing lack of titles as a negative is somewhat unfair.

Miami doesn't get a title in western conference.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:37 AM   #903
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Obviously it's not the only stat that matters (or even close), but I find it interesting that 7 of the first 16 picks are players that in their entire careers have never won a championship. I think, based on the evidence presented in their careers presently, that a lot of people have been left out in favor of more trendy choices so far (I won't comment on specifics, but I'm still salivating even though I don't pick until #30).
We're all secretly hoping to build teams with 0 total rings.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:38 AM   #904
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Gotta say I love your Dirk pick and this is precisely one of those reasons. You can completely tailor your team around Dirk. Want to go small? Play him at the C and run and gun. Want to go tall? Play him at the SF and let physical guys bang it out while he shoots over everyone at the wing. Want to go standard? Play him at the natural PF and build an orthodox team around him. Want to play fast? That's fine. Want to grind it out? That's fine. Man, Dirk is so sexy to build around. I am w/ Jack here when I don't think I could name 5 better players for this pick.
Thank you bobbo. You put it much better than I could have.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:40 AM   #905
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Titles can be quite luck based. Management, conference, seeding, Jordan era all have big influences on ability to get a title. Remember too that its a team sport. Citing lack of titles as a negative is somewhat unfair.

Miami doesn't get a title in western conference.
I agree, except it's fair when talking about Nowitzki, since virtually any other "star" like Malone, Barkley, KG, hell LeBron, would have won the finals that year ldo.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:43 AM   #906
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I agree, except it's fair when talking about Nowitzki, since virtually any other "star" like Malone, Barkley, KG, hell LeBron, would have won the finals that year ldo.
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:23 AM   #907
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So can I get back in on this now if the cap is at 40?

Also, I love the Dirk pick for all the reasons BobboFitos said, he's just so damn versatile.
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:24 AM   #908
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We should probably move on from the Isiah flaming, but one last shot I'm going to take is:

Jason Kidd
Gary Payton

are both WITHOUT A DOUBT better then Isiah offensively AND defensively. Although all PGs are 1st rounders in this, Isiah should've gone late 1st round (30ish?) whereas those guys should get gobbled up soon, IMO.
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ESPN AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU

Seriously guys, enough is enough. There's more overstatement and hyperbole about my Isiah pick then there is in Bill Walton's game coverage. Even if you think Kidd or the Glove are better picks it's not like it's ssoooooo obvious that I deserve a Darwin Award or something.
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:26 AM   #909
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Nah, you don't deserve a Darwin Award.

It is analogous to giving Steve Nash two MVP awards though.
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:40 AM   #910
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re: The argument that Stockton and Malone have less value since they won't be on the same team for this exercise.

I really don't get this point, especially regarding Stockton. These teams will be deeper and more talented than the teams that they played on, and most teams will have a plethora of scoring options.

You can make the case that an elite PG like Stockton who doesn't need to score to display his talents will become more valuable in this format. There will be tons of guys who can score a lot of points, but the elite PG's such as Magic, Stockton, CP3, Nash can do so much for a team without scoring.
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Old 05-09-2008, 06:17 AM   #911
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zomg someone better pick nash now !!!!!
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Old 05-09-2008, 07:05 AM   #912
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So can I get back in on this now if the cap is at 40?

Also, I love the Dirk pick for all the reasons BobboFitos said, he's just so damn versatile.
Yes you're in. PM a mod and ask if they'll edit the post for you. While you're at it ask them if they can give us the ability to edit our own posts.
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:27 AM   #913
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btw put me in the camp that says that Nash just "got better" due to changing over to Phoenix and a system that highlighted his strengths and let him run the show. I don't think he magically improved a ton once he reached 30.
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:28 AM   #914
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If Isiah was spew at 15, Dirk is certifiable life tilt at 16.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:38 AM   #915
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Dirk is not the 16th best player of all time
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:46 AM   #916
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Good thing we're not picking the best players of all time, then.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:48 AM   #917
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don't forget no talking about players not already drafted.

i must say, dirk was a suprise.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:52 AM   #918
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Good thing we're not picking the best players of all time, then.
yea because going bpa available w/ 16th pick is so stupid


building a team around a shooting, soft 7footer is not a very good idea, certain players who will remain nameless would make dirk **** his pants
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:55 AM   #919
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Dirk's been a top 10 player every year since he turned 24, and arguably the top player in the game 4 of the last 6 seasons.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:56 AM   #920
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Dirk is not so hot at defense, but neither are a couple other guys already drafted. The guy can flat out score. I wouldn't have picked him 16, but its not horrible.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:57 AM   #921
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i think i better go back to the beginning and read the criteria and goal of this draft because i keep reading astonishing remarks like.. dirk is better than isiah etc... my first reaction to that is maybe isiah would of let dirk carry his gym bag, maybe. isiah had more toughness in his little toe than dirk has in his whole body. can you imagine dirk being good in the nba when they could actually touch the offensive guy ?? can you imagine dirk driving the lane and getting close lined by the bad boys like they used to do pippen ??? i can't, i think dirk would of went back to soccer.

maybe i missed something, going to read the rules right now..
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:59 AM   #922
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Dirk also has a higher career PER than Kobe, Hakeem, Malone, and Bird, damn.
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Old 05-09-2008, 10:09 AM   #923
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re: The argument that Stockton and Malone have less value since they won't be on the same team for this exercise.

I really don't get this point, especially regarding Stockton. These teams will be deeper and more talented than the teams that they played on, and most teams will have a plethora of scoring options.

You can make the case that an elite PG like Stockton who doesn't need to score to display his talents will become more valuable in this format. There will be tons of guys who can score a lot of points, but the elite PG's such as Magic, Stockton, CP3, Nash can do so much for a team without scoring.
This is precisely what I was trying to convey earlier, although you do a much better job of it...
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Old 05-09-2008, 10:16 AM   #924
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Dirk also has a higher career PER than Kobe, Hakeem, Malone, and Bird, damn.
That's a little skewed though since he hasn't hit his decline yet.
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i think i better go back to the beginning and read the criteria and goal of this draft because i keep reading astonishing remarks like.. dirk is better than isiah etc... my first reaction to that is maybe isiah would of let dirk carry his gym bag, maybe. isiah had more toughness in his little toe than dirk has in his whole body. can you imagine dirk being good in the nba when they could actually touch the offensive guy ?? can you imagine dirk driving the lane and getting close lined by the bad boys like they used to do pippen ??? i can't, i think dirk would of went back to soccer.

maybe i missed something, going to read the rules right now..
I don't know which is more ludicrous, the actual comments or the confidence behind it.
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