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Old 05-29-2008, 11:41 PM   #8976
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Unless you have a specific reason to think that he had structual issues with his ankles that make this anything but a freak injury, then how is this preexisting? If spraining your ankle in the absolute worst possible way isn't a freak injury, then I'm going to have to agree with Assani that Petrovic is prone to an early death, because maybe him staying alive for 28 years in a run down communist state was on the further end of the spectrum.
Someone earlier in this thread posted a college scouting report of Hill, and it said that his main weakness was that he may be injury prone.

Yes injuring the ankle may have been a freak injury(or maybe not). However, certain players will certainly recover more quickly than Hill did.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:41 PM   #8977
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And for those doubting Petrovic, watch these against Michael Jordan and tell me if you still think Schrempf is better (and yes I realize they are just highlights, but they are taken from 2 games with him going up vs the best).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lqi4...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klLp7...eature=related

Also a pretty good mix of him with a good song obv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byj3D...eature=related
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:43 PM   #8978
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I just merged all three of his posts together; bomb defused.
Hey man, I gotta maintain my # of posts lead here, stop slowin' me down!!
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:45 PM   #8979
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I dunno about this one. I've always thought that Big Al would be best complimented by a big man who can shoot on offense and that can defend the paint on defense. Dalembert can do the latter, but having him there makes Big Al particularly susceptible to doubles in the paint and he is not a great passer. This is all from his Boston years though, so I'm curious as to whether he's improved this past season. Any T'Wolves fans (lol) care to chime in?
this is a very interesting team imo...not sure how I feel about the SD pick yet.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:47 PM   #8980
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One last thing on injuries. If Grant Hill's ankle blowing up isn't a freak injury, would someone please give me an example of an injury that can be considered freak? The rules of the draft clearly make a distinction between chronic injuries and freak injuries, and if Grant Hill landing wrong on his ankle isn't considered a freak injury, I don't think one exists.
I don't think anyone is saying that Grant Hill injuring his ankle wasn't freak. What they are saying is that Grant Hill had a propensity(sp?) for injuries so he likely would've suffered some seemingly freak injury and that his recovery time was not freak at all.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:49 PM   #8981
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id classify a freak injury as the dwade separated shoulder
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:49 PM   #8982
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the argument regarding his ankle is that most people believe (i think) that his ankle sprain wasn't extraordinarily bad, it destroyed him because his ankle was already weak. i think you are underestimating how ridiculously common ankle sprains are for basketball players (especially athletic ones). i've seriously sprained my ankle at least 5 times in the last 5 years, and witnessed tons of other people doing so as well.
I agree with you regarding pickup games, as I've seen a ton of them in pickup games. However, I never saw them in any college games, as we all got our ankles taped and/or wore ankle braces every game.....its very hard to hurt your ankles with this protection imo, and I'm certain NBA players take similar precautions.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:50 PM   #8983
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the 2nd clip of drazen petrovic features the gayest music ever.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:51 PM   #8984
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I don't think anyone is saying that Grant Hill injuring his ankle wasn't freak. What they are saying is that Grant Hill had a propensity(sp?) for injuries so he likely would've suffered some seemingly freak injury and that his recovery time was not freak at all.
Assani, he missed ~40 games in 9 seasons (4 college, 5 NBA) before he was injured in the NBA (played 74 games that season before it happened).
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:52 PM   #8985
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id classify a freak injury as the dwade separated shoulder
lol. guys who fly into the lane non-stop trying to draw contact are going to get hurt. AI is the exception, not the rule.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:52 PM   #8986
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the 2nd clip of drazen petrovic features the gayest music ever.
watch the sabonis clip in the draft thread and then reconsider your opinion plz
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:52 PM   #8987
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i really don't see how hill isn't considered injury prone

just about every analyst who mentions him normally says these words "if he wasn't injured"
if that phrase prefaces just about every conversation of grant hill then i think it's fair to say he's injury prone
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:52 PM   #8988
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the 2nd clip of drazen petrovic features the gayest music ever.
Yea I know, still it's a buncha good clips from one game vs Jordan and the dream team (obv not including the music)
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:53 PM   #8989
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Alright I decided between two players...writeup coming...I'm taking Al Horford again.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:53 PM   #8990
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10% chance that Hill or Penny get hurt? Crazy talk.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:53 PM   #8991
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i really don't see how hill isn't considered injury prone

just about every analyst who mentions him normally says these words "if he wasn't injured"
if that phrase prefaces just about every conversation of grant hill then i think it's fair to say he's injury prone
You're better than that.

OF COURSE THEY WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE HE DID GET INJURED!!!!!!
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lol. guys who fly into the lane non-stop trying to draw contact are going to get hurt. AI is the exception, not the rule.
i just meant the type of injury. separated shoulders aren't very common in basketball. i would mention another but the player is undrafted that i believe defines a fluke injury
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if we had known the "10% rule" I would've drafted all injured players and played the "1 of them wont play. everyone else is 100%!" card. which is gay. I would say grant et al are much higher then 10%.
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- im very surprised Mark lasted this long - great value.
I don't love his skillset, but I am shocked that he lasted so long. I obviously considered him at my last pick, but I liked DH better since hes the type of player I like.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:55 PM   #8995
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i just meant the type of injury. separated shoulders aren't very common in basketball. i would mention another but the player is undrafted that i believe defines a fluke injury
overall ware and tear on the body will create a variety of injuries. plus guy's been getting injured non-stop since he came into the league. IMO more calcium and vitamins in his diet.
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Flyingmoose is around too. sick. im going to bed after the pix.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:56 PM   #8997
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All this injury **** is gaying up everything.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:56 PM   #8998
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You're better than that.

OF COURSE THEY WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE HE DID GET INJURED!!!!!!
taunt me w/ the mark jackson reference

im just saying that it was pretty much universally agreed that hill was considered injury prone or else he would have gone much higher than he did.
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if we had known the "10% rule" I would've drafted all injured players and played the "1 of them wont play. everyone else is 100%!" card. which is gay. I would say grant et al are much higher then 10%.
Really? How much higher? If it was higher than 10% don't you think we'd see a LOT more career ending injuries? It's not like Penny and Hill have these awful bodies, I mean they're professional athletes, they take care of themselves.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:56 PM   #9000
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there are lots of guys you can argue about under the freak injury thing. Grant Hill is not one of them. In fact he's probably in a select few group of guys where it's not close.
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