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Old 05-09-2008, 02:43 AM   #876
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I realize we shouldn't be discussing undrafted players, but seriously, how is Juan Dixon still out there? Assani already went.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:44 AM   #877
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in fact there's only 1 MVP winner left, and I think he'll clearly slide a bit

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Old 05-09-2008, 02:44 AM   #878
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There might possibly be less commotion if I wasn't from Dallas.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:46 AM   #879
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Two MVP winners left
edit: lol beat me to it.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:50 AM   #880
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I realize we shouldn't be discussing undrafted players, but seriously, how is Juan Dixon still out there? Assani already went.
Yeah he and Dan Dickau should have been gone a long time ago.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:53 AM   #881
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in fact there's only 1 MVP winner left, and I think he'll clearly slide a bit

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I really wouldn't be too surprised if both went in the first round given how many people are now drafting.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:57 AM   #882
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me neither but late 20s early 30s is a kick in the nuts if youve got an MVP trophy
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:05 AM   #883
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Well one is white and we've already found out that's not a good thing when you're playing elite players and the other doesn't like to practice so he could prove detrimental to an elite team.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:07 AM   #884
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I really wouldn't be too surprised if both went in the first round given how many people are now drafting.
yes, jesus what the **** is going on in here. i think maybe 20 post players theoretically should/would be taken out of the first 30 picks if this league were to actually happen (dirk being counted as a SF, maybe a new-age 4).

if only basketball was "add up career/season averages" and compare against the other player's/team's corresponding stats. certain players would do significantly poorer against significantly better competition. not to mention modern rules (and interpretation of these rules) would have a huge effect as well

i do think this league would be really, really fun to watch though (ldo).
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:08 AM   #885
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Just because Mark Madsen is white doesn't mean he can't hang with the athletic players of today. Count tha ringzzz.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:12 AM   #886
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Scott Skiles holds the assists in a game record...and he's a pain in the ass coach...ya'll are getting owned by my white player/coach. Ship it.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:13 AM   #887
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OMG, player/coach. MAD VALUE, IMO.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:15 AM   #888
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I guess that means Larry Bird was the best pick yet.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:15 AM   #889
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Scott Skiles > Doc Rivers because he's white...but I think thats clear. Plus the assist record and everything. That and Skiles doesn't allow headbands. **** headbands.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:30 AM   #890
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I guess that means Larry Bird was the best pick yet.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:39 AM   #891
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That makes the Isiah pick even worse.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:44 AM   #892
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lol
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:14 AM   #893
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I think Kobe has been better the last few years than when he was 24 as another example of a player who did not nessecarily peak @ 24. Obv he was still elite @ 24, but still - his game has grown since then.
actually, kobe peaked in 2005-2006. (@27) Which is fairly typical. Perimeter players typically enjoy a plateau until ~30 or so, which has been his case (near 27yr old kobe production but not AS good as that year) so Kobe will likely be lights out again next year (and a "MVP contender") and then @31+ will see his stats gradually diminish. Not to say he's not an excellent player, he is, but when he was ~24 (2003-2004 season?) he was pretty damn good, comparable to this season, but getting better.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:16 AM   #894
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Basketball is not a game of #'s. If it was Zach Randolph would be an all-star and Tim Duncan wouldn't be that great.
Actually, basketball is a game of numbers. And by the numbers, Tim Duncan is better then Zach Randolph in EVERY SINGLE METRIC.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:18 AM   #895
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yeah but with Isiah, his peak wasn't that extended or all that great. Wasn't a good shooter. Only 3 years with PER > 20 (Stockton had like 40), was a weak defender, and turned it over quite a bit. I mean, he was great, but not like zomg great.
We should probably move on from the Isiah flaming, but one last shot I'm going to take is:

Jason Kidd
Gary Payton

are both WITHOUT A DOUBT better then Isiah offensively AND defensively. Although all PGs are 1st rounders in this, Isiah should've gone late 1st round (30ish?) whereas those guys should get gobbled up soon, IMO.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:19 AM   #896
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Looking strictly at the basic numbers there is no way anyone would think Duncan is as great as he is, as plenty of PF's/C's have put up similar/better numbers throughout the NBA.

Randolph being an all-star was kinda a stretch but the numbers obv make him look a lot better than he is, so how about saying looking at the numbers only Michael Redd would be a superstar. Is that better?
Thing is, Michael Redd should be a "superstar", but he plays in Milwaukee and is on a terrible team. He's a very, very good SG.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:23 AM   #897
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Plus one of the reasons that I chose Dirk was that I think he is easy to build around. In the past 5 years he has played in very different offenses under Avery and Nellie without losing a step and without disrupting the offense. This is going to very important in future rounds.
Gotta say I love your Dirk pick and this is precisely one of those reasons. You can completely tailor your team around Dirk. Want to go small? Play him at the C and run and gun. Want to go tall? Play him at the SF and let physical guys bang it out while he shoots over everyone at the wing. Want to go standard? Play him at the natural PF and build an orthodox team around him. Want to play fast? That's fine. Want to grind it out? That's fine. Man, Dirk is so sexy to build around. I am w/ Jack here when I don't think I could name 5 better players for this pick.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:23 AM   #898
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Actually, basketball is a game of numbers. And by the numbers, Tim Duncan is better then Zach Randolph in EVERY SINGLE METRIC.
# of arrests?
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Well played sir, well played
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:31 AM   #900
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Obviously it's not the only stat that matters (or even close), but I find it interesting that 7 of the first 16 picks are players that in their entire careers have never won a championship. I think, based on the evidence presented in their careers presently, that a lot of people have been left out in favor of more trendy choices so far (I won't comment on specifics, but I'm still salivating even though I don't pick until #30).
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