Okay because I was thinking of maybe stealing Jay Williams later in the draft but I guess this rules him out.

houston sports a higher 3 pt%, FG%, and FT%, how the **** does smith have a better ts%? (i know the answer, i just think it's ridiculous how **** like that works)

yeah I didn't expect smith to slip this far to be honest

the point is efficiency. Houston shoots sick from deep, but only shoots 4-5 a game and takes a lot of 2s where ~40% shooting sux. That's what I meant about a pure shooter thrust into a bulk scoring role. Which is why I'm OK with how he fits on Clark's squad, because he won't be the first offensive option.

tbach: Smith probably got to the FT line more?

lol i said right afterward i know the answer, i just think it's funny when stuff like that happens. we learned about the theorem in statistics (although i already knew it because i'm wicked smaht), anyone know the name of it?

i was wondering if my memories were affecting my judgment, but i liked a lot of his metrics, and i feel his skill set is a great fit for my team

I watched a ton of those painful knicks teams over the years. Houston was always the king of the 20-2-2 stat line. Excellent shooter out to 3 pt range. But that is all you get. As soon as he caught the ball it was going up, almost never passed, and if he did try, he wasn't good at it. A liability on the boards, even at the 2 guard. Not all that interested in defense, and had some injury issues to boot.
To be honest, especially in this format, I'd rather have a role player who can defend, bring the ball up if needed, and hit the open three than Houston.

i remembered him being really awesome (and actually have a majerle jersey). looking back at his stats, it appears that he was a pretty good shooter, durable for his first 7 eligible years, and a better than good defender. not to mention he was athletic. i'd much rather have him than battier imo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox

the first paragraph i completely agree with. i was trying to remember my feelings on houston, and the "20-2-2" thing totally summed it up. haha that's pretty funny i remember as a little kid being astonished that an nba player could have numbers like that.

but on the second paragraph, with clark's already stellar defense, it's not so much an issue.

I can explain it. Than I'll explain Clark's poor choice (imo) bc, well, I think he made another blunder.

Dan Majerle
I assume Nath is going to be playing Dan at the 2, which leaves a fairly nonathletic core (including Boozer, who is a power house and for his size has alot of finesse, but is a terrible athlete) - as a preemptive warning, playing Dirk at the 3 epitomizes his athleticism deficiencies, he gets away with it at the 4 because he's better at every other thing, but quicker 3s are going to be too fast for him defensively.

Anyway, Dan in a nutshell: Big pros are health, size (if playing the 2 especially), and shooting ability. But... I always remembered him being an elite shooter, and the stats just don't back this up. He's a career 35.8% 3pt shooter (4 a game) which is basically slightly above average for a bulk number. However, his 2pt % and FT % (only career 74%, huh???) drag his TS% down. He only got to the line 2.4 times a game, peaking at 25 at 3.9 fta (in ~30 mins). The other things he brings to the table are at a below avg clip - not really a good passer, no blocks/forced TOs, at the 2 he wont really have a rebounding advatage...

Career 13.8 PER, too. Best season was 17.8. That's pretty weak, even if PER tends to underrate 3pt specialists.
Pairing wise I don't really think Nate needed to spread the floor. Calderon and Dirk are ELITE shooters, so perhaps picking up a more athletic swingman who could cover defensively or so forth would be more of a need. And again, it's the one thing Thunder Dan does well (but not elite) so I think it's redundant.

Allan Houston
So he drafts Mookie, hears criticism about needing shooting, and goes after a pure shooter who does nothing else. I don't want to say too much, but Allan will hurt you defensively. Atleast he truly was an elite 3pt shooter (40.2% on ~4 a game is pretty terrific no matter how you cut it). I can't criticize too much because he fills a need, and I don't hate the pick.

*actually, note in general the previous 3 picks are quite solid, perhaps I got too pampered by the previous picks which were all quite good

is anyone else curious how BJLTNYK's team works out? could be a better version of run TMC?

He didn't post his team...who else does he have?

pat ewing, larry nance, mookie blaylock

+ a ****ty rookie?

Allan Houston is a *much* better 3pt shooter than Smith, which is a far bigger need for me than all around play right now. With Nance midrange and Ewing down low, all I need him to do is sit and shoot 3's all day long. Smith is a better player in an absolute sense, but for purposes of this league, he never once shot 3's at better than 35.1% from his 24 through his 29yo season. Houston's worst 3pt shooting season ever other than his rookie year is 38.1% and is a career 40.2% guy.

you need to tell houston to not try to score as much tho...

pj brown, interesting.

Thanks. Pretty good fit then, I'll admit. Though I still rather have a 37-38 3P% guy who do a couple other things than, well, Allan Houston.

+1

Houston + Ewing! REUNITED AND IT FEELS SO GOOD

I think Houston is fine for that team, but there are some players that would work better, IMO. That said, as Clark's team is constructed right now, another team with good midrange game from the 2/3 will fare very well against him.

D

Well, with the current lineup, yeah, he'd be the 2, but he can play the 3 for sure with some of our lineups. It all depends who I get the next few rounds.

yeah, his PER drops at 27, when it seemed he started playing more at the 2 than 3 (the Hornacek for Barkley trade). He started getting fewer rebounds from the 2 (btw not sure what you mean by not having a rebound advantage) but shot more 3s-- so even though his PER went down his ORtg and OWS went up. I can use him at either the 2 or 3 and I think have him be effective in either role.

I feel like Majerle isn't elite at anything, really, but he's very good at several things, and those things are a good match for my team and its flexibility.

But I don't really know anything.

also i that my name is all over this thread and you still wrote "Nate"

Blah, I was hoping one of Smith, Houston, or Thunder would fall to me.

I was shocked at Majerle's relatively low 3pt%. I remembered him being straight cash homey from 3. I think it was his proclivity for super deep 30 ft plus 3s.