and if he was predisposed to suffer the injury, or if the injury was a random occurance.

sorry for the quick post, especially following our lovely debate i love that picture so much

Round 4 Pick 134

Jason Terry






write up coming later

Team So Far

PG- Jason Terry
SG- Michael Jordan
SF- Josh Smith
PF/C- Marcus Camby

Not a huge fan of Terry but he's a good efficient shooter. IDK, ur Jordan lead team is not 1 of my favorites.

omg just got back from pickup, so many picks, im SO ****ING HAPPY! cant wait to break them down

Terry can shoot and D it up a bit. I like this pick. This team reminds of a better version of the recent Mavs teams.

Just a warning, have a ridiculously busy weekend, might take me awhile to make my pick if it gets to me over the next 3 days.

my hate for Terry knows no bounds, and I was joking around saying "man some sorry sap is going to have to start Terry".. yet of all the teams this probably works the best. Doesn't need to be a true point on MJs team, not stuck in awful defensive mismatches against bigger 2s. Pretty nice fit.

To be honest, I realllllly wanted Terry. He's the 2nd of 3 guys I wanted after I wasn't able to trade up to get Terrell Brandon. With that said, you have a sickly athletic team and if I had your team I'd want a PG who could set some sick plays up (probably why you wanted Mark Jackson so bad). I dunno, maybe I'm just too tilted with having two of my guys taken so close together.

ya im gonna be out of town tomorrow until whenever. proly will be able to make my pick without delay tho. bc well, u kno i got tha love.

PM me an offer.

when i left, Mike Miller was the last pick (I liked it alot) I'm going to give my thoughts and than read through the entire thread (standard)

Samuel Dalembert
I love this pick. Alex, I really love your team. I hate admitting it because I really dislike Kobe, but I think you've addressed all your needs; built to your strength; and are in a position to draft the BPA. Your interior defense has an OK post defender and good weakside help defender - it could use work, but not terrible. Your perimeter defense has a lockdown defender when necessary and a guy with a height advantage that he wont hurt you, either. So really, I think your defense is fine. Offensively, wow, your team is just so money. I love it.
I don't think Sammy D is a reach here, compared to the other Cs taken recently (smits, okafor, davis, big z) he matches up alright. He wont really be expected to do alot on offense, and his major strength (rebounding) was an area you needed. He can run the floor too, or play halfcourt. (has done both already) You dont really have injury issues on your team either.
Anyway, your team is shaping up to be average defensively and elite offensively, and I cant help but feel you just have all the key components of a championship level squad. Alright, enough love, let's move on.

Vin Baker
I'm going to try not to be a homer here, but I hate the pick. Tbach and I talked about Vin Baker a while ago, and Tbach was of the opinion even if he was going to average 30/15 since he screwed the Cs so much, he would never draft him. I wasn't as staunch an anti-Baker guy, but his obvious faults (worse than DC) aren't made up by as much talent. (Weaker defender, not terribly efficient offensively, was never an above average rebounder-just logged tons of mins) couple this with the baggage and the weird spot on your team, I'm not sure I like it.
What Vin could do really well is create on his own (when sober) and with CP3 running the show, you don't really need guys to do anything other than be able to finish, run the court, and perhaps hit a midrange. (He was a better post player than pick and pop IIRC) Eh, I'm being a homer here, he fits in with your team and I probably shouldnt criticize it too much since he does have upside. I'll hold off more thoughts for now.

Mark Jackson
You're better than that! I figured he'd go soon, but I still think there are 2 better PGs available. I do think he's better straight up than Rod Strickland though since he was such a consummate "team" guy.
He fits your team well, since I can imagine him penetrating and dishing to Alvin, pick and rolling with the mailman, or pick and popping with Antawn. In fact, with three guys who do like the ball, he's a great fit offensively since he is great at putting people in a position to score. (clearly he's one of the best passers ever)
You note that he's not one to score much, but I think with your forwards, you should be fine scoring wise. Defensively, Mark Jackson wasn't that good, which is why I still think there are better available. You may have some trouble matching up with certain teams, and i'll leave it at that - in essence, this is a solid pick, nothing extraordinary, but I think a "+1" for team fit.

Toni Kukoc
Blah, I wanted this guy. Hate saying it, but it looks like HSP made a nice quality pick! When pip/jordan left, he led his team in points/rebs/assists, he was a 6th man of the year, he has the height to play 3 different positions.
He actually was pretty good defensively as well, although DRtg isn't a great stat since he did land on fairly great defensive teams. (Those bulls) He had a long career which is a nice bonus, and was able to play several systems. (As you allude, he could be the #1 option, the guy off the bench, defense first, the slasher, creator, whatever) Such a flexible guy, and on your team, with 2 chuckers in Charles and Starbury, I love the addition of a pass-first team guy where winning is #1.
In fact, team wise, it's looking like you have drafted well since Starbury. Will be interesting to see who rounds out your starting 5. So - kudos HSP, job well done.

Jason Terry
WTF, why are people drafting so well? Terry is one of the BPA that I had my mind on. Dallas fans say he's a shoot-first guy who doesn't have a high bball IQ, but... They forget he was the ~2nd option on a near championship team, for all his faults is a very efficient scorer, and has been very durable. People rag on him defensively, but the problem is generally he's guarding the SG, which presents a problem.
I do dislike the way you've built your team though. I think Terry - who is more of a shoot first/slasher type, shouldn't be paired with MJ, since he likes the ball in HIS hands. Also, this wont benefit Camby or JSmoove too much, since he wont create nearly as much for them as he will for himself.
I thought you were going defense-first, so the addition of Terry is a little weird, but.. I suppose this is a case I think you went BPA > Fit, and no one would argue Terry is good value here, but the fit is puzzling. (Esp. decision to play him as the 1, but with MJ, I suppose playing him at the 2 and MJ at the 3 would be even weirder)

I considered it, but I didn't want to be slow vs the 4, since that would mean starting 2 centers. DC was very fit as a 24 yr old. Beastly, in fact - he had handle.

ooooooooooooh i had forgotten about richard jefferson. very nice pick sir. dunno if it makes up for your teams deficiencies, but you have 2 more picks this round so your team could round out well.

btw, i have capone's pick for after nath goes.

Love the RJ pick more than the past few picks, great pick

I do like the pick, but people that were considering him in the 2nd are off their rocker. He doesn't help you defensively (doesnt hurt tho) doesn't shoot particularly well.. He's one of those guys that does everything OK, and the one thing he does well is at an elite level (passing). for his team, it works perfectly, since he needed passing, and at this stage, is good value, but 2nd round would be a mega reach. (esp as the PGs taken then can pass AND do other things)

i think it's interesting that you highlight his heterosexuality, when RJ has received probably the most gay speculation in recent NBA memory.

huh? steroid boy's team is nothing like those mavs. really, nothing like them.

Really like Jefferson pick, that's gotta be close to BPA which is what you want when you have three picks this round to round out your starting 5. With JON and Isiah you should be able to get him a lot of open looks, and he's not as weak a defender as some of the other shooters drafted, and can has some ability to score in other ways as well.

Just wondering, but b-ref says Kukoc was a Forward/Guard, did he really play guard? On defense was he quick enough to defend the 2?

just a few minutes, debating whether or not to trade down or pick now

you're right. although he's not a 'shooter'.

I personally am not that impressed with many of the top 15 picks teams and the ones I like aren't really amazing or anything, I think the race for the top spot is wide open and wouldn't shock me at all if one of the other teams (not top 15) ended up being the best.

wow, that girl is smoking. but she's a beard imo. plz list your team on your writeup.

i think decent value, i had my eyes on other (better) wings, but he does alot, and he plays well w/ a PG (kidd years obv). cant say fit bc that would involve looking at your whole team, and i just dont want to look it up, why cant you list it?

from what i remember, his defensive mobility is pretty similar to rashard lewis. he could handle the rock better than lewis though