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Old 05-09-2008, 01:57 AM   #826
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Dirk is way closer to best pick in the draft so far than worst. WTF? This is good value, IMO.

Not a single player I think even close to Dirk (looking at the numbers at least).

Isiah was a terrible, terrible pick partly because this guy was still on board. Who the hell is better (probably should stop commenting in thread, so PM me with names, k?)
Basketball is not a game of #'s. If it was Zach Randolph would be an all-star and Tim Duncan wouldn't be that great.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:58 AM   #827
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Dirk was one of the best players on the board, I'm not sure I can name 5 better.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:58 AM   #828
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Isiah was way spewier than Dirk.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:59 AM   #829
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I thought Dirk was auto-assigned to my team?
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:59 AM   #830
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Basketball is not a game of #'s. If it was Zach Randolph would be an all-star and Tim Duncan wouldn't be that great.
Bingo.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:00 AM   #831
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also please remember everyone to PM the person after you when you pick....will help things run smoothly imo.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:00 AM   #832
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Basketball is not a game of #'s. If it was Zach Randolph would be an all-star and Tim Duncan wouldn't be that great.
What the hell kind of numbers are you using?
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:01 AM   #833
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Nash at 31 wouldn't be that much different than Isiah at 24 would it? You get two great years and then a steady decline. I'm not comparing their abilities, just the type of return you could theorettically expect for each.
Sorta, but Isiah's decline has been largely overstated in this thread. Dude was finals MVP in 1990 when he was like 29. With Nash in his peak you get 2-3 years before a substantial decline whereas Isiah had a good 5-6.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:01 AM   #834
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Bingo.
except not Bingo, and the numbers reflect Duncan's greatness and the gigantic flaws in Randolph's game. It was a terrible point.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:02 AM   #835
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Dirk was one of the best players on the board, I'm not sure I can name 5 better.
In fact, I think there's only one guy who I take over him for sure and one other I might consider.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:02 AM   #836
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also please remember everyone to PM the person after you when you pick....will help things run smoothly imo.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:02 AM   #837
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What the hell kind of numbers are you using?
Basic stats: ppg, rpg, apg, to, fg percentage, ft percentage, blocks, steals
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I can only think of one or two guys who I'd put above Dirk there. I think it was a very nice pick. Still can't beleive the guy who I'm almost certain will be picked next is still on the board.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:03 AM   #839
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Dirk is way closer to best pick in the draft so far than worst. WTF? This is good value, IMO.

Not a single player I think even close to Dirk (looking at the numbers at least).

Isiah was a terrible, terrible pick partly because this guy was still on board. Who the hell is better (probably should stop commenting in thread, so PM me with names, k?)
Wait, so Dirk is the reason my Isiah pick was so bad??

Christ, if I keep reading this thread I'm going to go impotent and my head's going to explode.
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Sorta, but Isiah's decline has been largely overstated in this thread. Dude was finals MVP in 1990 when he was like 29. With Nash in his peak you get 2-3 years before a substantial decline whereas Isiah had a good 5-6.
In 1990, the league fg% was .476. Isiah shot .438 and turned the ball over 4 times/game. His passing still makes him a great pg but as a first scoring option he's overrated.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:06 AM   #841
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I got PMed some names by KC, and they're also sig better than Isiah, IMO.

But yeah, if I had your pick, I would have went Dirk. Maybe I'm nuts. I also think you overrate postseason play, but w/e.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:06 AM   #842
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I don't have any expierence drafting tv characters like you do though, so you have me in that department.
sick burn bro,

drafting a hypothetical nba team is like, infinitely cooler than drafting a fictional tv team
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yeah but with Isiah, his peak wasn't that extended or all that great. Wasn't a good shooter. Only 3 years with PER > 20 (Stockton had like 40), was a weak defender, and turned it over quite a bit. I mean, he was great, but not like zomg great.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:09 AM   #844
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yeah but with Isiah, his peak wasn't that extended or all that great. Wasn't a good shooter. Only 3 years with PER > 20 (Stockton had like 40), was a weak defender, and turned it over quite a bit. I mean, he was great, but not like zomg great.
he had heart!
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:11 AM   #845
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omg 24 points busted ankle probably less racist then too
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kidcolin, pm me names too please?
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glad this thread is back on track cuz it's kinda awesome
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:17 AM   #848
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except not Bingo, and the numbers reflect Duncan's greatness and the gigantic flaws in Randolph's game. It was a terrible point.
Looking strictly at the basic numbers there is no way anyone would think Duncan is as great as he is, as plenty of PF's/C's have put up similar/better numbers throughout the NBA.

Randolph being an all-star was kinda a stretch but the numbers obv make him look a lot better than he is, so how about saying looking at the numbers only Michael Redd would be a superstar. Is that better?
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Basic stats: ppg, rpg, apg, to, fg percentage, ft percentage, blocks, steals
If you use more advanced stats and look at things like pace factor and defense then these numbers can present a very good picture of reality.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:24 AM   #850
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Duncan is a 22/12 guy, Randolph is a 16/8 guy. Duncan has a career fg% of .502, randolph .463.

Michael Redd? Well, Redd is an elite scorer, but that's it. He can't do anything else. It seems you're ranting about bad stats and not stats in general.
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