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Old 05-28-2008, 12:35 AM   #8201
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Will he be judged as recovered after I pay the injury price of losing him for the year? Or will I have to deal with the argument his whole career could be over?
if he comes back and is effective for years then i kinda doubt ppl can say hes gonna be injured his whole career.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:36 AM   #8202
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Yeah Smith could've played a good Worthy role on that team. If I were both of those teams I'd try to work out some sort of trade, could work with how soon RUFFNECK picks again.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:37 AM   #8203
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I think I'm more confused now on what to do then when I first asked Assani lol.

Will he be judged as recovered after I pay the injury price of losing him for the year? Or will I have to deal with the argument his whole career could be over?

Sorry to clog the thread up with this ****, its just complicated as hell.
Ok, heres an example:


In real life a player plays from 19-23. In the summer before his age 24 season he gets hurt and doens't cmoe back until age 26 season in which he plays 20 games. Age 27 season he is fully recovered and goes on to be relatively injury free.


In our league you would get him at his age 26 season when he played 20 games. Now even though he stayed healthy in real life, he is a bit more of an injury risk in our league than a normal healthy player, but hes not a huge injury risk like Grant Hill/Penny Hardaway/Kevin McHale/Dwyane Wade either. Basically because in real life he fully recovered, I think most people would be willing to say that he'll most likely recover in our league too.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:38 AM   #8204
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if he comes back and is effective for years then i kinda doubt ppl can say hes gonna be injured his whole career.
I think that's how it should be, he had a preexisting injury which cuts his first season short, but he's fully recovered and has been fairly durable since then. So, one injury plauged season followed by a normal injury risk for that type of player in the following years.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:39 AM   #8205
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i really don't think it should be a huge issue if we let him switch. who gives a crap, even if they pondered him and passed? Just keep it fun and care free. I mean Epip will have beef so he can have another couple of pages devoted to him, but other than that I think it should be fine.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:40 AM   #8206
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If Rik Smits falls in the forest while 24, is he still a better pick than Andrew Bynum?
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:40 AM   #8207
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:40 AM   #8208
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I think that's how it should be, he had a preexisting injury which cuts his first season short, but he's fully recovered and has been fairly durable since then. So, one injury plauged season followed by a normal injury risk for that type of player in the following years.
I don't think thats how it'll be viewed tho.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:41 AM   #8209
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good write ups. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on my team after my next pick.


Also, J Smith would've be great with Magic's team if SB didn't take him.
Totally agree, it's funny, a few of those teams would've been better with the pick the other guy made. Like...

I like JSmoove more with Magic or Clyde. I like Brad Miller more with MJ.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:41 AM   #8210
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Just to further clarify....

Say that the player misses his age 24 season, and doens't come back until age 27 in which he plays a part of that season, and then comes back at age 28 fully. Your first season with him would be his partial season when he first came back.
This is far to much information, giving it away now!

FWIW i didn't like the Smits/Miller pick precisely because of this player.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:42 AM   #8211
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I just don't get why I wouldn't get him at 26
i really dont see how u can complain about this. u shud get him at 24, miss a year, then miss a lot of 25. thats the fckn rules. now we change the rules.

cue goodman pick.

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Old 05-28-2008, 12:42 AM   #8212
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Ok, heres an example:


In real life a player plays from 19-23. In the summer before his age 24 season he gets hurt and doens't cmoe back until age 26 season in which he plays 20 games. Age 27 season he is fully recovered and goes on to be relatively injury free.


In our league you would get him at his age 26 season when he played 20 games. Now even though he stayed healthy in real life, he is a bit more of an injury risk in our league than a normal healthy player, but hes not a huge injury risk like Grant Hill/Penny Hardaway/Kevin McHale/Dwyane Wade either. Basically because in real life he fully recovered, I think most people would be willing to say that he'll most likely recover in our league too.
OK I'm gonna change if he isn't in hill/penny injury prone, i can handle normal injury prone.

So I take a 60 game loss, but pretty much get him back full strength in year 2?
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:44 AM   #8213
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I want to remind everyone that the injury rule isn't "HE WAS INJURED AT 25 IRL, THEREFORE HE IS INJURED IN THIS" it is "HE GETS INJURED X OFTEN TO Y SEVERITY IRL, THEREFORE HE GETS INJURED X OFTEN AND TO Y SEVERITY IN THIS"

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Old 05-28-2008, 12:44 AM   #8214
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I just don't get why I wouldn't get him at 26. He missed like 25 % of the season, and he isn't even that good that year. But at least I can play him and get something. I think the penalty of missing 3 years off his career and the possibility of being injury plagued is enough credit.

With that being said, the ruling is fine with me. It just makes me unable to take him imo with all the other risks.
LOL@ "he isn't even that good that year"...what does that have to do with it? I'm trying to be fair, not trying to maximize his value.

To be completely fair, the rules state you should get him at 24 and have to endure missing entire seasons. But I thought that was too harsh of a penalty, so I amended the rules a bit there. However, if he comes back during one year then thats the year you get him imo.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:45 AM   #8215
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OK I'm gonna change if he isn't in hill/penny injury prone, i can handle normal injury prone.

So I take a 60 game loss, but pretty much get him back full strength in year 2?
how the *** can he even be close to those guys level? hes played greater than 78 games for 5 years and 62 and 73 the other years. hes pretty durable.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:45 AM   #8216
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Unless anyone has any problems, based on Assani's points I'm gonna switch picks. Pretty much miss a year, and then I get him for the next season (plus a higher rate of injury than the normal player)
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:45 AM   #8217
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OK I'm gonna change if he isn't in hill/penny injury prone, i can handle normal injury prone.

So I take a 60 game loss, but pretty much get him back full strength in year 2?
yes that is correct. Although in our hypothetical league he COULD come back sooner or later and miss more or less than 60 games.

And yes I realize its obvious who we're talking about, so I'm just going to say it: Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:46 AM   #8218
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how the *** can he even be close to those guys level? hes played greater than 78 games for 5 years and 62 and 73 the other years. hes pretty durable.
I just thought thats how it would be interpreted by some. I can handle missing the year, I just would like to at least be expected to get some good seasons out of him.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:46 AM   #8219
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you get him at the beginning of year 25, and he may or may not get hurt and miss the rest of 25 and part of 26 (like he did in real life) fwiw, i think he's a risk to re-injure that specific thing, but if he doesn't re-injure that specific thing he seems to be pretty durable
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:46 AM   #8220
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:47 AM   #8221
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LOL@ "he isn't even that good that year"...what does that have to do with it? I'm trying to be fair, not trying to maximize his value.

To be completely fair, the rules state you should get him at 24 and have to endure missing entire seasons. But I thought that was too harsh of a penalty, so I amended the rules a bit there. However, if he comes back during one year then thats the year you get him imo.
ya this is pretty terrible. i had certainly assumed we miss the full 24 season when i was considering draft picks. i think anyone else with a clue would have too, since ya know, thats what the rules say.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:47 AM   #8222
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Ok, sorry to ask so many questions about it, I just wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting because I still liked Smits.

But yea, I'm gonna switch to Z.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:48 AM   #8223
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I want to remind everyone that the injury rule isn't "HE WAS INJURED AT 25 IRL, THEREFORE HE IS INJURED IN THIS" it is "HE GETS INJURED X OFTEN TO Y SEVERITY IRL, THEREFORE HE GETS INJURED X OFTEN AND TO Y SEVERITY IN THIS"

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Yes but the rules state that you get them as they are at 24 and everything that happened to them previously would still have happened injury wise. I recently amended that as you saw to say that if they missed their entire age 24 season tehn you get them whenever they came back and played any part of a year.
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Haha c'mon SB
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:49 AM   #8225
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nvmd figured it out
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