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Old 05-27-2008, 11:21 PM   #8126
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single Marbury Essays >>>>>>>> 4 page long Epeen McHale debates
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:21 PM   #8127
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Ok I'm taking Rik Smits, write up coming.
solid but unspectacular pick. I like your team a lot overall.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:22 PM   #8128
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solid but unspectacular pick. I like your team a lot overall.
+1 (regarding smits/franchise)
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:22 PM   #8129
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:24 PM   #8130
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FWIW, when healthy Baron is easily the best of the bunch. So underrated IMO. His efficiency stats suffer because of how much of a bulk shooter he is. Also Andre Miller is dirty. Such an elite passer and very good penetrator. Never misses a game either. Cassell is awesome, but the first 4 years he'll be in this thing he was less than great.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:24 PM   #8131
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just so I'm clear I think Bobbo got good value there but this MVP caliber season bs is making him sound a little ridiculous.
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same as Kevin Martin isn't a superstar, but a pretty good value pick (especially for that team).
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:25 PM   #8132
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Turn the ball over and kill fast breaks?
HTF does Josh Smith kill fast breaks? Hes great at finishing in the open court.

I like the Smith pick a lot for his team. I hate the inefficiency he brings, but overall he fits well and I obviously love the blocks.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:25 PM   #8133
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You can't even use PER to justify Brandon > Cassell.
if he could maintain a 25 per for his career he would be better than cassell. im pretty sure we have the technology for that today.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:26 PM   #8134
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if he could maintain a 25 per for his career he would be better than cassell. im pretty sure we have the technology for that today.
lol well played

but seriously we dont need this debate again
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:27 PM   #8135
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FWIW, when healthy Baron is easily the best of the bunch. So underrated IMO. His efficiency stats suffer because of how much of a bulk shooter he is. Also Andre Miller is dirty. Such an elite passer and very good penetrator. Never misses a game either. Cassell is awesome, but the first 4 years he'll be in this thing he was less than great.
Thats the main argument against Cassell - and a huge one at that!

Yes I agree Baron is the most talented out of the bunch...and Andre is consistently good (not an elite passer imo...though the numbers may say otherwise)...I dont know how Calderon got picked sooo high (and Im a huge Calderon fan...from T.O.)
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:28 PM   #8136
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very good? c'mon. the guy had an ast/to ratio of like 3 and a below average ts%. Very good is a bit of an overstatement, and calling his age 25 season spectacular is just ridiculous.

If Brandon had his age 25 season this year, where would you rank him in pgs? 5th? 6th? That's hardly spectacular.
Agree. Brandon isn't a bad pick, but I don't think hes tremendous value either. Plus I don't like short players because I'd like to have as few weaknesses on D as possible. He was only really efficient that one year too. And he is a shoot first PG.

1. Shoot first PGs
2. Not efficient
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3 things I don't like. With that said, I'm fully aware that those 3 things make me biased agianst him and hes probably better than I'm giving him credit for.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:28 PM   #8137
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if he could maintain a 25 per for his career he would be better than cassell. im pretty sure we have the technology for that today.


"Gentlemen, we can rebuild him, we have the technology"
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:29 PM   #8138
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I Brad Miller but dislike FaDi's team.

I like Franchise's team quite a bit.
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solid but unspectacular pick. I like your team a lot overall.
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+1 (regarding smits/franchise)
Thanks, I agree its not a spectacular pick. There was some BPA guys I was looking at and wanted to pull the trigger on but I just didn't think it would mesh as well and I didn't want to leave a gaping hole in the middle.

I think all 4 of my picks will work really well together, but I think a lot of people will overlook my last two picks because they aren't very sexy. So we'll see.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:29 PM   #8139
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FWIW, when healthy Baron is easily the best of the bunch. So underrated IMO. His efficiency stats suffer because of how much of a bulk shooter he is. Also Andre Miller is dirty. Such an elite passer and very good penetrator. Never misses a game either. Cassell is awesome, but the first 4 years he'll be in this thing he was less than great.
i think the Andre Miller love is a little biased towards his last year with Philly. After his great start with the Cavs, he turned into a really average (although very durable) PG. All of the team situations were fairly similar as well, although this is the first time he's been the primary creator (although he isn't going to be in this league, is he?)
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:30 PM   #8140
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if he could maintain a 25 per for his career he would be better than cassell. im pretty sure we have the technology for that today.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:30 PM   #8141
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Thats the main argument against Cassell - and a huge one at that!

Yes I agree Baron is the most talented out of the bunch...and Andre is consistently good (not an elite passer imo...though the numbers may say otherwise)...I dont know how Calderon got picked sooo high (and Im a huge Calderon fan...from T.O.)
Yeah you're right, not elite. But he's a very solid overall PG. The fact that he's never been bad and only missed 5 games (2 of which were because he was traded mid-season) in his entire career is pretty sick.

And as for Calderon, I <3 the guy (who doesn't?) but yeah too early.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:31 PM   #8142
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You really think Gasol-Miller in the paint is a great team. This team will be horrible inside in a league with a ton of great big men. I like them offensively but no way they are top 5.

I like Epipen's team but he's traded up and his later round picks will be weaker so his team should be good.
You realize its Andre Miller on his team, right?
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:31 PM   #8143
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Thanks, I agree its not a spectacular pick. There was some BPA guys I was looking at and wanted to pull the trigger on but I just didn't think it would mesh as well and I didn't want to leave a gaping hole in the middle.

I think all 4 of my picks will work really well together, but I think a lot of people will overlook my last two picks because they aren't very sexy. So we'll see.
yeah this is what this whole deal is all about. BPA only works for the first couple rounds. Smits does a nice job addressing some of the size concerns I had.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:31 PM   #8144
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if he could maintain a 25 per for his career he would be better than cassell. im pretty sure we have the technology for that today.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:32 PM   #8145
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i think the Andre Miller love is a little biased towards his last year with Philly. After his great start with the Cavs, he turned into a really average (although very durable) PG. All of the team situations were fairly similar as well, although this is the first time he's been the primary creator (although he isn't going to be in this league, is he?)
With PP and Pau on the team, I doubt it. He's capable though which is a huge + as you need a guy like that to play with both PP and Pau at times.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:32 PM   #8146
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woooo game over

bobbo wins
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:33 PM   #8147
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Both of the centers are bad picks, the PG is a fantastic one (imo)
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:36 PM   #8148
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I dont know whats worse - Epip and his McHales arguements...or HSPs Marbury essays...mods - start a poll! lol
I miss the days when anyone could put a poll in any post they wished.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:37 PM   #8149
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You realize its Andre Miller on his team, right?
O-so many Millers (3 so far), thought it was Brad. I gues sit's pretty good now but defensively still really blah although I'm a bigger Andre Miller fan on this team than Brad Miller b/c of how soft Gasol is.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:37 PM   #8150
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Both of the centers are bad picks, the PG is a fantastic one (imo)
Reasoning?
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