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Old 05-27-2008, 11:08 PM   #8101
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You would put him ahead of Nash (21.1 PER, .641 ts%), Chauncey (23.6 PER, .619 TS%), Calderon (20.5 PER, .607 TS%), Deron (20.8 PER, .595 ts%)? Surely, if this seasons are worse, they're far from that much worse, right? Are all of these MVP Caliber seasons?
25.2 PER, 121 ORtg, 106 DRtg. .573 TS.

I think all those PGs obv had great seasons, but TB was like that too.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:09 PM   #8102
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He neither scores too efficiently or passes too efficiently. Plus, his peak really isn't that high for a guy who missed quite a few games and was done pretty early.
He played as a 31 yr old. Not everyone plays until they're 35 or so. ESPN RATED HIM AS THE PG AT ONE POINT! (lol)
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:09 PM   #8103
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2 things strike me as odd. If I was more of an *******, I would classify them as "LOL"

1) Mookie being a pass-first PG
2) Smoove being the 120th best option for this league
for point #2, do you mean it's high or low? I'm not really sold on him at all.

edit: OK I read on. mtone's hate for J-Smoove is one of my favorite reoccurring themes of SE
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:11 PM   #8104
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also, no one said he was chris paul. im not saying TB is in the top rank of PGs. he's not. (BTW, KC, you doing round 3 summary like you did for round 2?)

Im saying of the PGs picked in the round ahead of him:
Miller
Baron
Calderon
Mookie
Cassell

I had TB rated higher than them all. I had Cassell as next best, then Baron, Mookie, Jose.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:11 PM   #8105
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hollinger calls 25 PER a "Weak MVP Candidate"
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:11 PM   #8106
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ok i just got back and just viewd all the expected reponses

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actually i'd rather assani rule on this first
honestly...I think I was just in shock n awe when you picked Brad Miller up and was willing to swap for any price...and u ask for 20 lol - sure...but now I thnk about it...its pretty lame to be doing that in this draft.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:11 PM   #8107
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bobbo,

I haven't even finished reading the whole Brandon ordeal yet but I'll just say JoA is right on this one.

I think it's a good pick, but he's not some massive steal here. PER overrates him for the same reason it overrates Starbury (and no I'm not saying they're the same). He's a nice pick and fits your team with his 3-ball, I'll give you that.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:12 PM   #8108
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(BTW, KC, you doing round 3 summary like you did for round 2?)
all rounds, baby.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:12 PM   #8109
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I had Brandon higher than all of those guys also, and was surprised he dropped this far.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:13 PM   #8110
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also, no one said he was chris paul. im not saying TB is in the top rank of PGs. he's not. (BTW, KC, you doing round 3 summary like you did for round 2?)

Im saying of the PGs picked in the round ahead of him:
Miller
Baron
Calderon
Mookie
Cassell

I had TB rated higher than them all. I had Cassell as next best, then Baron, Mookie, Jose.
I have:
Cassell
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TB
Mookie
Baron
Marbury
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Calderon
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:13 PM   #8111
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also, no one said he was chris paul. im not saying TB is in the top rank of PGs. he's not. (BTW, KC, you doing round 3 summary like you did for round 2?)

Im saying of the PGs picked in the round ahead of him:
Miller
Baron
Calderon
Mookie
Cassell

I had TB rated higher than them all. I had Cassell as next best, then Baron, Mookie, Jose.
I agree with this 100%...I rated TB higher than all these guys...but honestly thought he would drop. Really good pick up Bobbo
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:14 PM   #8112
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Brad Miller is solid value imo, although I agree with the concensus that you're gonna suck on D.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:15 PM   #8113
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I just want to point something out: most people were saying Marbury was a 4th round pick at best and some people said even worse, yet looking at the point guards taken recently in Blaylock, Cassell, Brandon, and Calderon(??) I don't think these picks have justified the critics at all. Marbury is a flat out better player than any of these guys and there is no question in my mind that at 24 if he was on a good team with players and a coach really interested in winning, and suited to his strengths, he would be way more highly regarded than he is now. In other words the guys picked after him were basically eithe rless talented and/or had injury issues or a short prime, neither of which apply to Marbury. I think Marbury, Porter, and Davis are all in a similar grouping. Davis in particular, aside from having the injury issues, is a great example of someone in a situation that maximizes his strengths, don't forget that in New Orleans he demanded a trade and was generally problematic in a losing envrionment. Does anybody not think that had he spent the last four years on the Knicks that he wouldn't be rated significantly lower?

Having said all of this, I will admit one thing, that it was probably a mistake to take a point guard at my spot in the second reound. Laimbeer and Rice were still available, both excellent players at their positions, and now that I know after the fact how much everyone personally despises Marbury, I very well may have gotten to pick him in this round. Besides that, there are still some good point guards out there who I think should have been picked already, especially over Brandon and Blaylock. Nevertheless, out of the choices available to me at point guard, I think that from a pure value standpoint the pick was certainly reasonable and certainly not deserving of the criticisms virtually everyone gave.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:17 PM   #8114
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actually i'd rather assani rule on this first
There is absolutely no way you can sell players or picks. Come on guys, that should be obvious.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:17 PM   #8115
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I just want to point something out: most people were saying Marbury was a 4th round pick at best and some people said even worse, yet looking at the point guards taken recently in Blaylock, Cassell, Brandon, and Calderon(??) I don't think these picks have justified the critics at all. Marbury is a flat out better player than any of these guys and there is no question in my mind that at 24 if he was on a good team with players and a coach really interested in winning, and suited to his strengths, he would be way more highly regarded than he is now. In other words the guys picked after him were basically eithe rless talented and/or had injury issues or a short prime, neither of which apply to Marbury. I think Marbury, Porter, and Davis are all in a similar grouping. Davis in particular, aside from having the injury issues, is a great example of someone in a situation that maximizes his strengths, don't forget that in New Orleans he demanded a trade and was generally problematic in a losing envrionment. Does anybody not think that had he spent the last four years on the Knicks that he wouldn't be rated significantly lower?

Having said all of this, I will admit one thing, that it was probably a mistake to take a point guard at my spot in the second reound. Laimbeer and Rice were still available, both excellent players at their positions, and now that I know after the fact how much everyone personally despises Marbury, I very well may have gotten to pick him in this round. Besides that, there are still some good point guards out there who I think should have been picked already, especially over Brandon and Blaylock. Nevertheless, out of the choices available to me at point guard, I think that from a pure value standpoint the pick was certainly reasonable and certainly not deserving of the criticisms virtually everyone gave.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:18 PM   #8116
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I wish assani was here because I have a serious question about the interpretation of the rules.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:18 PM   #8117
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hsp, brandon>marbury
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:18 PM   #8118
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marbury > cassell is lol worthy

The Terrell > Cassell crowd is also lol worthy
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:18 PM   #8119
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There is absolutely no way you can sell players or picks. Come on guys, that should be obvious.
it is...it was just a heat of the moment.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:19 PM   #8120
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marbury > cassell is lol worthy

The Terrell > Cassell crowd is also lol worthy
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:19 PM   #8121
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I Brad Miller but dislike FaDi's team.

I like Franchise's team quite a bit.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:20 PM   #8122
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Sorry its



121, 240, 281 for 134, 227, 267
Steroid Boy got absolutely hosed here imo. Franchise offered me something similar and I declined. The value of moving is highest in the earlier rounds, and theres a sharp drop off after round 5 due to only needing 5 starters.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:20 PM   #8123
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You can't even use PER to justify Brandon > Cassell.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:20 PM   #8124
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I dont know whats worse - Epip and his McHales arguements...or HSPs Marbury essays...mods - start a poll! lol
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:20 PM   #8125
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just so I'm clear I think Bobbo got good value there but this MVP caliber season bs is making him sound a little ridiculous.
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