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Old 05-27-2008, 10:40 PM   #8076
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2) Smoove being the 120th best option for this league
are you saying too early or too late? i have him ranked as approx my 120th player, but i also still have 15 players ranked ahead of him on my board.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:41 PM   #8077
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smoove wasnt necessarily the 120th option but he fits what i want to do
Turn the ball over and kill fast breaks?
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:41 PM   #8078
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2 things strike me as odd. If I was more of an *******, I would classify them as "LOL"

1) Mookie being a pass-first PG
2) Smoove being the 120th best option for this league
LOL

plz continue. personally, i've always <3'd the hawks, at least ever since they started that season like 16-0 when i was like 9 and thought they were the greatest team EVER
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:42 PM   #8079
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Turn the ball over and kill fast breaks?
obv biased against him and nothing i say will change your mind
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:44 PM   #8080
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Turn the ball over and kill fast breaks?
He is obviously going sick D, all his 3 players are awesome defenders. Not sure if Josh will ever win DPOY but a SF who can block 3 shots a game is sick. Offensively he's alright and I don't think will ever be superstar level but he's more effective offensively than a lot of the other defensive wings that were picked. I was looking at him as well.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:46 PM   #8081
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obv biased against him and nothing i say will change your mind
Oh, so shoot tons of 3s despite a 25% average and throw up wild shots around the basket. With a little helping of "lack of improvement" and "inability to stay on the floor because he can't help but foul." Although, that's probably just a by product of not being able to play any straight up defense. Luckily he can play help defense really well and pad his block stats. Of course, when he misses, his guy usually ends up with an easy tip in.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:46 PM   #8082
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T Brandon was pretty awesome when healthy (repeat offender on team bobbo)
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:47 PM   #8083
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I think Smits fits well with Oakley. I picked Oakley with the hope of getting Smits or Miller to pair with him. I was able to trade up and keep a 5th and 6th round pick. I don't think its bpa, but I think its a solid fit considering where I got him and good value for the spot.

I think the halfcourt will be very strong with him, stockton, and mullin also.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:47 PM   #8084
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lol terrell brandon gets 1 great year (age 25) and 3 okay years.
More like 1 MVP caliber year, then 5 other years of 20+ PER.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:48 PM   #8085
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brandon looks like sick value.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:48 PM   #8086
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ehhh...brandon had 5 very good years (including one spectacular one). injuries are obv a concern, but he's like the JOneal of PGs IMO
very good? c'mon. the guy had an ast/to ratio of like 3 and a below average ts%. Very good is a bit of an overstatement, and calling his age 25 season spectacular is just ridiculous.

If Brandon had his age 25 season this year, where would you rank him in pgs? 5th? 6th? That's hardly spectacular.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:48 PM   #8087
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I think the whiteness factor will be very strong with him, stockton, and mullin also.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:50 PM   #8088
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very good? c'mon. the guy had an ast/to ratio of like 3 and a below average ts%. Very good is a bit of an overstatement, and calling his age 25 season spectacular is just ridiculous.

If Brandon had his age 25 season this year, where would you rank him in pgs? 5th? 6th? That's hardly spectacular.
actually, I'd rank him right behind Chris Paul. As a 25 yr old, 25.2 PER, 19.3 ppg on 57.3 TS, 6.5 apg and under 2TO/g (woot). plus, he forces a ton of TOs (career wise forced nearly as many as he committed by virtue of steals)

edit: ranking him behind chris paul, meaning, as a 25 yr old if he had that season this year. obv.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:52 PM   #8089
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If Brandon had his age 25 season this year, where would you rank him in pgs? 5th? 6th? That's hardly spectacular.
there are quite a few awesome pg in the leagure rite now.

he put up a 25 per with .57 ts
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:52 PM   #8090
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Best 5 Teams excluding my own at the end of rd. 3 (in no particular order)
GKA- Pierce, Gasol, Miller
KLJ- Vince, Moncreif, McDyess, Eaton
Epipen- McHale, Chauncey, Kevin Martin
sergz- Dikembe, Gilbert, Schrempf
Seadood- KG, Lambeer, Hornacek
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:54 PM   #8091
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ehh yeah it's not spectacular you're right. but he's pretty efficient on offense. and i don't think bobbo needs a high-assist PG.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:55 PM   #8092
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I love seadood's team thus far.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:55 PM   #8093
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actually, I'd rank him right behind Chris Paul. As a 25 yr old, 25.2 PER, 19.3 ppg on 57.3 TS, 6.5 apg and under 2TO/g (woot). plus, he forces a ton of TOs (career wise forced nearly as many as he committed by virtue of steals)

edit: ranking him behind chris paul, meaning, as a 25 yr old if he had that season this year. obv.
You would put him ahead of Nash (21.1 PER, .641 ts%), Chauncey (23.6 PER, .619 TS%), Calderon (20.5 PER, .607 TS%), Deron (20.8 PER, .595 ts%)? Surely, if this seasons are worse, they're far from that much worse, right? Are all of these MVP Caliber seasons?
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:56 PM   #8094
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Best 5 Teams excluding my own at the end of rd. 3 (in no particular order)
GKA- Pierce, Gasol, Miller
KLJ- Vince, Moncreif, McDyess, Eaton
Epipen- McHale, Chauncey, Kevin Martin
sergz- Dikembe, Gilbert, Schrempf
Seadood- KG, Lambeer, Hornacek
You really think Gasol-Miller in the paint is a great team. This team will be horrible inside in a league with a ton of great big men. I like them offensively but no way they are top 5.

I like Epipen's team but he's traded up and his later round picks will be weaker so his team should be good.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:57 PM   #8095
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You really think Gasol-Miller in the paint is a great team. This team will be horrible inside in a league with a ton of great big men. I like them offensively but no way they are top 5.

I like Epipen's team but he's traded up and his later round picks will be weaker so his team should be good.
Yeah I think it should be very good. They can get do it in every way offensively. Also, Gasol can go 4/5, Pierce can go 2/3, so I like it a lot so far.

I didn't factor in trading up or down into my top 5, just taking teams where they stand.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:58 PM   #8096
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ehh yeah it's not spectacular you're right. but he's pretty efficient on offense. and i don't think bobbo needs a high-assist PG.
He neither scores too efficiently or passes too efficiently. Plus, his peak really isn't that high for a guy who missed quite a few games and was done pretty early.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:02 PM   #8097
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Round #4/ Pick 122 Terrell Brandon


http://youtube.com/watch?v=qhJQSk6xJIk

Terrell Brandon was the PG I felt should've been picked way earlier. I need someone to bring the ball up the court as well, so the fact that I get great value and address a need is fantastic. As what I've done in the past, I'm going to list Tee Bee's accomplishments, follow it up stats, and than explain his role on my team.

Team BobboFitos:
PG - Terrell Brandon
SG - Eddie Jones
SF -
PF - Derrick Coleman
C - Shaquille O'Neal

Terrell Brandon was a 5-11/180 lbs. PG from the University of Oregon. Tee Bee played 11 years, splitting time between the Cavs and the T'Wolves. (I only remember him on the T'Wolves, he was a good pairing with KG) Terrell was named to the All-Star game twice (1996, 1997) when he was 25 and 26.

Terrell's first 3 years were rather mundane, perhaps below average. But he came into the league as a 21 yr old, so those are all wiped away! Starting at age 24, he put up PER of 18.7, 25.2 (WOW!), 21.5, 20.2, 19.5, 20.8, 20.0, and 21.8. Again, I'm in shock he's around, because he was insanely good for his entire post 24 career. His career mark of 110 ORtg and 105 DRtg (both above avg for his position) glosses over the fact as a 25 yr old he put a career high 121 ORtg (jesus).

It's worth noting here, when talking about intangibles, that TB won the sportsmen award in 1997. So locker room-wise he's going to be a huge plus, which should help calm down DC a bit. Tee Bee was VERY healthy... For the bulk of his career. He had a minor injury as a 28 year old (which coincided with getting traded) which got worse. As a 28 yr old he missed half the season, and his final year, as a 31 yr old, he missed half as well.

Defensively, TB is a small point (just a shade under 6') but even still always performed above average for his position. Why? Steals. He's a career ~2 spg (per 36min) with a 3% STL%. As noted earlier, his DRtg is career 105 (avg for little men is around 107) and showed incredible consistency. (His worst defensive years were as a rookie and 2nd man, which luckily I wipe clean) My very good interior defense of Shaq and DC will allow my main man Tee Bee to pressure the passing lanes. His quick hands will enable me to use him or EJ as a doubler effectively pressuring post men.

Offensively, it seems as though I have many capable options. TB's great asset is not really as an outside shooter (although he is a career 35.5% 3pt shooter, which is slightly above average, he took under 2 a game for his career) but as a slasher. I felt I needed some penetration, since although EJ is a great wing, he's more of a shooter off a feed or a screen. TB can pop the midrange, or work a 2 man pnp and I can utilize him as a SG wing screen. Although TB was never elite with assists, (7.4 per 36/6.1 for a career) he's a smart passer and even though the ball was in his hands often, doesn't turn it over at a terrible rate. (Better than 3:1 A/TO) TB was also an elite FT shooter, taking roughly 3 a game at a 87% clip. (Peaking at 5 a game as a 25 yr old, and shooting 99% from the line as a 31 year old - yes, seriously, he shot 83/84 his final year)

Alright, lets move into more in depth how my 4 man team is looking. I'm fairly sure I will be running some sort of triangle offense, since although I don't have a dominant ball handler, every player thus far is a smart passer. Further, none of my guys are particularly TO prone. It's looking that with 4 very good options, my last starter likely wont demand (or get) too many shots. This is ok with me. My normal offensive set will be finding the mismatch inside, working a 2 man game on the side, and just hammering it into the paint as much as possible.

Going back to my overall philosophy (balance) I think TB at this spot offers me a good midrange shooter, a guy that can dribble penetrate, and when freed for an open 3, can knock it down. TB does a decent job drawing fouls, and he will force enough TOs to let me run a little bit.

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Old 05-27-2008, 11:05 PM   #8098
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what don't you understand? I can't stay on 2p2 all day man. Sorry if I left in the middle of a debate, but it isn't even a debate that I really care having.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:05 PM   #8099
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:06 PM   #8100
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ya I mean you guys are talking about him like he was Chris Paul. I remember watching him back on Minnesota and thinking he was good but he wasn't zomg spectacular i'm gonna **** my pants good, like Chris Paul is

although still great value and great pick.
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