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Old 05-08-2008, 11:46 PM   #776
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half the reason it's slowed the **** down is your bickering and starting a new thread and now no one knows what the heck is going on

the other half is HSP
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:48 PM   #777
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half the reason it's slowed the **** down is your bickering and starting a new thread and now no one knows what the heck is going on

the other half is HSP
Fail

Even before I bickered/started a new thread, it was basacally just as slow. Also be noted, I am def not the only one bickering about the time.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:55 PM   #778
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No he wasn't! His midrange game was pretty good, but he was a pretty bad three point and FT shooter. He also pretty much led the league in turnovers every year and averaged 1 more than Stockton on less assists. And Stockton was a much better defender.

Let's not overrate the guy.
qft. anyone postulating that isiah was close to stockton is whacko/
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:56 PM   #779
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Sorry guys, I'll have my pick up shortly. I gotta wake on it.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:57 PM   #780
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I think Isiah at 15 is major spew
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:58 PM   #781
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Sorry guys, I'll have my pick up shortly. I gotta wake on it.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:59 PM   #782
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LOL. Before the #3 pick was made a friend of mine and I discussed on AIM that Isiah would probably be the best player left at 15 unless someone above me screws up. Don't give yourself too much credit :-P
Well, considering Jason Kidd and Gary Payton were still available, you got yourself maybe the 5th or 6th best point guard of all time. Congrats?

Don't understand the loving of Isiah, check out a ~week ago or so in the playoff thread we did an analysis of him. In summation, his best year was as a 23 yr old, he peaked at 24, then had a gradual decline. His continuous nods to all star teams was very lucky and more reputation based then because of his talents. (Probably should've only been an All Star 4 or 5 times)
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:01 AM   #783
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You're talking about Stockton like he was crap on the defensive end. The man led the league in steals twice.

Also, he led the league in assists per for 9 YEARS while only missing 4 games during that period.


At any rate, you're not hurting at the PG position with either guy.


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I dont want to clog this thread with Stockton loving, but... Well, people are being so ludicrous I just dont see how I cant. Stockton was a better defender at PG then any other "all time great PG" with the exception of probably Gary Payton.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:17 AM   #784
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I expect the picks to be made within 1-5 hours, the 15 hours is jus a saftey net to take into account people sleeping.

All I know is this draft is moving ridiculouslyyyyyyyyy slow (and this is the fastest part of the draft too, the first rounds where everyone is into it and the picks are easier) and like I said it will take 15+ days for each round to end, which means the draft should take roughly 5-6 months.
So let me get this straight here.....


This draft was taking approx. 5 or 6 hours per pick. To you, that was too slow.

So you solution was to start a new draft which had a 24 hour time limit. Someone said that was silly, so you changed it to a 15 hour time limit. Somehow you expect draft choices to only take 1-5 hours in your format.

Would that all be correct?
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:21 AM   #785
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So let me get this straight here.....


This draft was taking approx. 5 or 6 hours per pick. To you, that was too slow.

So you solution was to start a new draft which had a 24 hour time limit. Someone said that was silly, so you changed it to a 15 hour time limit. Somehow you expect draft choices to only take 1-5 hours in your format.

Would that all be correct?
Yes, because I am only going to have people who are avaliable more often and not just let anyone join even if they don't check 2+2 for days on end, and have people actually PM there picks if they know they won't be around for a while but are going to be picking soon.

Also 5 or 6 hours per pick is only going to get slower as it gets into the late rounds, people have tougher choices and people lose interest. I wouldn't be surprised to see 10+ hours per pick past say round 5 in your league, since you will do nothing to enforce it to hurry up.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:36 AM   #786
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And what are you basing this off of? How many of these drafts have you done before?


The time that each draft pick takes has nothing to do with which round it is. Picks don't take a long time because they are tough decisions; They take a long time because people aren't online right away when its their choice.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:39 AM   #787
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And what are you basing this off of? How many of these drafts have you done before?


The time that each draft pick takes has nothing to do with which round it is. Picks don't take a long time because they are tough decisions; They take a long time because people aren't online right away when its their choice.
I've done a few offline message board drafts (mostly for fantasy sports because not everyone could make the same draft time) and they take a long time if you don't enforce them with strict timelimits/get active people. We actually did what you did (no real time limit) and had to enforce a timelimit halfway through the first round because it was moving ungoldly slow just like this one.

I don't have any expierence drafting tv characters like you do though, so you have me in that department.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:45 AM   #788
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I'm done arguing this. Our draft is going on as planned. I don't like your draft, so anyone who participates in yours is getting booted from mine. Best of luck with yours. Since you like a 15 hour time limit, I will give you that time limit on your picks or else I'll pick for your team.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:47 AM   #789
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I'm done arguing this. Our draft is going on as planned. I don't like your draft, so anyone who participates in yours is getting booted from mine. Best of luck with yours. Since you like a 15 hour time limit, I will give you that time limit on your picks or else I'll pick for your team.
Awwww someone got a little mad. Are you serious with booting people who want to participate in both, after I asked you and you said it was speicifically ok for me to go ahead with making my own draft? You are lucky I even had class and decided to ask you, as again this was the last resort as I and others had spoken up against the draft taking forever.

And lol @ giving me a 15 hour time limit but everyone else 24 hours and then unlimited time after the first round, way to be a prick.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:48 AM   #790
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haha assani rules
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:50 AM   #791
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I'm done arguing this. Our draft is going on as planned. I don't like your draft, so anyone who participates in yours is getting booted from mine. Best of luck with yours. Since you like a 15 hour time limit, I will give you that time limit on your picks or else I'll pick for your team.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:55 AM   #792
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Well, considering Jason Kidd and Gary Payton were still available, you got yourself maybe the 5th or 6th best point guard of all time. Congrats?

Don't understand the loving of Isiah, check out a ~week ago or so in the playoff thread we did an analysis of him. In summation, his best year was as a 23 yr old, he peaked at 24, then had a gradual decline. His continuous nods to all star teams was very lucky and more reputation based then because of his talents. (Probably should've only been an All Star 4 or 5 times)
Wait, how is this a bad thing? Do I misunderstand the rules of this? We get all our players at 24-years-old right? Are we planning to run through 10 seasons of simulations here or something?

If we're talking about having one player, in his prime, leading your team in a playoff environment, I don't see how Isiah can be considered substantially worse than stockton. If you're drafting someone to go through 82 games a year for 20 years then, yeah, obv Stockton, but playoff Isiah in his prime > playoff Stockton in his prime (which is what matters most for this format unless I misunderstand it). Even if you disagree you can't say Isiah is so much worse that Stockton at 14 is right and Isiah at 15 is a spew.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:55 AM   #793
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I'm done arguing this. Our draft is going on as planned. I don't like your draft, so anyone who participates in yours is getting booted from mine. Best of luck with yours. Since you like a 15 hour time limit, I will give you that time limit on your picks or else I'll pick for your team.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:00 AM   #794
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epi im out of yours imo
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:00 AM   #795
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I'm done arguing this. Our draft is going on as planned. I don't like your draft, so anyone who participates in yours is getting booted from mine. Best of luck with yours. Since you like a 15 hour time limit, I will give you that time limit on your picks or else I'll pick for your team.
Oh snap. I am def in this one, I like the cut of your jib.

Plus I don't want to have to keep my laptop at the foot of my bed pressing F5 while I have sex w/ my wife in fear that I may get autopicked.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:08 AM   #796
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I think that might be the worst pick so far. Like yeah, I think this pick is way worse than say CP3 at 11 or Bird at 4. Like, Isiah-like spew.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:12 AM   #797
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Awwww someone got a little mad. Are you serious with booting people who want to participate in both, after I asked you and you said it was speicifically ok for me to go ahead with making my own draft? You are lucky I even had class and decided to ask you, as again this was the last resort as I and others had spoken up against the draft taking forever.

And lol @ giving me a 15 hour time limit but everyone else 24 hours and then unlimited time after the first round, way to be a prick.
No, I'm not mad.

Yes, I'm serious.

Yes I consider myself extremely lucky and just said a prayer of thanks for you having the class to ask me. Thank you.

Glad I could make you laugh out loud.

Please refrain from the name calling, as that is a violation of the FAQ.






In all seriousness, constantly checking my PMs and having to be put in charge of making decisions on every issue takes time and effort on my part. You've done nothing but make it harder on me. I try my hardest to listen to everyone's views and then make a decision. My decisions aren't always going to be liked by everyone, but if you don't like them then just get over it as I'm in a tough spot and trying my best to please as many people as I can. Continuing to bicker with me over the issue is just annoying, and running off and starting a new league just because you disagree with me is even more obnoxious.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:15 AM   #798
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Wait, how is this a bad thing? Do I misunderstand the rules of this? We get all our players at 24-years-old right? Are we planning to run through 10 seasons of simulations here or something?

If we're talking about having one player, in his prime, leading your team in a playoff environment, I don't see how Isiah can be considered substantially worse than stockton. If you're drafting someone to go through 82 games a year for 20 years then, yeah, obv Stockton, but playoff Isiah in his prime > playoff Stockton in his prime (which is what matters most for this format unless I misunderstand it). Even if you disagree you can't say Isiah is so much worse that Stockton at 14 is right and Isiah at 15 is a spew.
I dont know the answer to this, if this is a 1 season deal (which I was led it's not) then Isiah is a super pick, because his value specifically at age 24 was the highest period, and as a 24 yr old, vs stockton as a 24 yr old, it's arguable he was better. If it's longterm though (which is what I'm led to believe) then he can't match Stock at all.
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Wait, how is this a bad thing? Do I misunderstand the rules of this? We get all our players at 24-years-old right? Are we planning to run through 10 seasons of simulations here or something?

If we're talking about having one player, in his prime, leading your team in a playoff environment, I don't see how Isiah can be considered substantially worse than stockton. If you're drafting someone to go through 82 games a year for 20 years then, yeah, obv Stockton, but playoff Isiah in his prime > playoff Stockton in his prime (which is what matters most for this format unless I misunderstand it). Even if you disagree you can't say Isiah is so much worse that Stockton at 14 is right and Isiah at 15 is a spew.
From the rules:

Basically we're going to be drafting basketball franchises. The goal, of course, is to build the best possible basketball team both for the now and the future.

In our hypothetical league, each player you draft will be entering his prime. To avoid confusion, lets just say that you get each player at the age of 24. For current players who are younger than that, you get them at their current age. For players who didn't enter the NBA until later than age 24, you get them at the age in which they entered.





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Old 05-09-2008, 01:21 AM   #800
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EPiPeN11,


Just to be clear, I only gave you the 15 hour time limit because I thought you might take forever in order to prove your point. If you promise to not do this, then I'll give you unlimited time like everyone else.

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