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Old 05-26-2008, 04:27 PM   #7276
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Battier and Prince don't play the same style of offense. Tayshaun is a bit more of a playmaker, and can create a little bit by posting up. Battier is more of a volume long-range shooter, usually getting open off screens or slow rotations.

Defensively I think they both are excellent, so a lot of "who's better" depends on what type of a team you have. For instance I would prefer a guy like Battier on my team (KG, Laimbeer, Hornacek) because I'd want more spacing, and obv. more guys that can hit the 3. And while their three point shooting %s are fairly similar, Battier's is a little more prolific and makes more long range shots.
Exactly. I'm not trying to say Battier is better, but Tayshaun isn't anywhere close to as good as AC-Cobra is making it out to be.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:27 PM   #7277
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Why are we grading the third round already when there are still 40% of the picks left?
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:27 PM   #7278
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The two are very similar offensively, but I would argue Battier SHOULD be much better as Yao and Mcgrady take a hell of a lot of the defensive focuse away from him. On the Detroit team, theres no real superstars that a D has to lock down on like in Houston, yet still Tayshaun puts up good efficient offense.
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I'm no sure why you're calling a 1.3 difference in PER significant. Want me to find stats Battier is significantly better in? Wins Produced, WSAA, whatever. Add them all together and you'll find that they're both about equal.

Also, I'm not really sure you should be using T-Mac (27 games missed, sub .500 TS%) and Yao (60 games missed) against Shane Battier. The Rockets are a pretty terrible offensive team, but he's got on of the highest ORtgs in the league. Besides, he did the same things in Memphis, and all that team had was Pau Gasol.

And Tayshaun doesn't put up "good efficient offense." It's below average.
Ok, I still think Tayshaun>Battier but maybe I overeacted in the gap between them originally.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:30 PM   #7279
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Also, on the JJ pick (which I think was great). Which comparable players do people think he should of been picked before?

Alvin Robertson
Michael Redd
Eddie Jones
Mark Aguirre
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

I think if Im re ranking these guys now I go something like...

Eddie Jones
Mark Aguirre
Joe Johnson
Michael Redd
Alvin Robertson
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

I think Jones to Robertson is tight with the other two a slight bit behind the pack (and I may be underating Robertson I think)
Too lazy to do the rankings (sorry), but I really think JJ reminds me of a slightly less efficient version of Paul Pierce. Good but not stellar long range shooting, the ability to take over games, and the ability and willingness to get other players involved.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:32 PM   #7280
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yeah but PP is a much better defender
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:32 PM   #7281
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Also this will be me if Nath takes my guy (in cat form of course).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF88I...eature=related
Does your guy have a vowel in his last name?
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:34 PM   #7282
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yeah but PP is a much better defender
How is JJ's defense BTW? I didn't watch a lot of Hawk games this year, and the playoffs weren't neccesarily a good gauge imo. I wanted him if he fell, and the only thing I had to go by was hoopshype's scouting report saying that he "does everything, plays defense etc.... "
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:36 PM   #7283
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Does your guy have a vowel in his last name?
omg yes how did u know
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:38 PM   #7284
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well he doesn't get a lot of steals, has a bad DRtg, bad DWS, and whenever i've watched him i've always been less than impressed, but i'd be more interested in what mmbt0ne and other hawks fans have to say.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:39 PM   #7285
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epipen i know who it is _ _ _ a _ e amirite?
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:40 PM   #7286
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omg yes how did u know
Psychic... How about three vowels in his last name?
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:43 PM   #7287
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lol guys stop, i'm not giving anymore hints, saying he had at least one vowel in his last name already gave away way too much
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:44 PM   #7288
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Do you really think Tayshaun is significantly better than Battier? They take a similar number of shots but Tayshaun isn't as efficient. They're both have a reputation as defensive stoppers, but Tayshaun got that reputation playing with two of the best defensive players in the league (Sheed/Wallace). Battier blocks and rebounds better, too. Plus, Tayshaun started at 22, so you miss two of his years as opposed to one from Battier.

I think there are players out there similar to Battier which would make it look bad. Tayshaun isn't one of them.
Tayshaun creates his own shot. Battier doesn't. Hell, the Pistons offense might operates its best when Tay brings the ball down the court (which is more frequent than most might think).
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:46 PM   #7289
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epipen i know who it is _ _ _ a _ e amirite?
He's picking a GM this early?
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:47 PM   #7290
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Me and Flyingmoose have worked out a trade (as long as Nath doesn't take my guy, if he does the trade is void).

The trade is his 3rd round pick (next after nath)+ his 7th for my 4th round pick and KLJ's 4th round pick.
Word.

I hope nath doesn't take your guy because I'm leaving for the day and haven't even checked what's available since my last pick. I might be shutting this thread down in epic HSP fashion if the trade falls through.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:47 PM   #7291
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lol I just got Tbach's referance, it was McHale LOL that was a good one.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:47 PM   #7292
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Battier and Prince don't play the same style of offense. Tayshaun is a bit more of a playmaker, and can create a little bit by posting up. Battier is more of a volume long-range shooter, usually getting open off screens or slow rotations.

Defensively I think they both are excellent, so a lot of "who's better" depends on what type of a team you have. For instance I would prefer a guy like Battier on my team (KG, Laimbeer, Hornacek) because I'd want more spacing, and obv. more guys that can hit the 3. And while their three point shooting %s are fairly similar, Battier's is a little more prolific and makes more long range shots.
You sure about the range thing? Check out the last 3.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9EGMtbucFD0
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:47 PM   #7293
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send epipen your top 2 just in case!!!
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:50 PM   #7294
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send epipen your top 2 just in case!!!
I'm actually going to be leaving at around 8 and won't be back til much later (like 2 am), so I will have to pm my pick if Nath doesn't pick before then (as well as flyingmoose's if Nath chooses my guy) to someone
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:51 PM   #7295
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You sure about the range thing? Check out the last 3.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9EGMtbucFD0
thats sick. he must've gotten so much poon that night
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:55 PM   #7296
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thats sick. he must've gotten so much poon that night
I'm picking this guy up next round. TS% will be 103%
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:57 PM   #7297
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Fly should definitely pick a guy and pm it to someone in case Nath takes Epi's guy if he will be gone all night.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:58 PM   #7298
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Prince was such a badass in college.
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:05 PM   #7299
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nice, i knew hornacek would go next, woot. good pick. knew the iggy one was coming too, obv. still cool to see.
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:06 PM   #7300
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Prince was such a badass in college.
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