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Old 05-26-2008, 01:38 PM   #7251
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Iggy is solid. Really good defender, good efficiency. Also, looks like your team needs can be easily addressed.
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:00 PM   #7252
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Like the Iggy and Hornaceck picks. I was looking at both.

Iggy also works very well in that lineup. Hardaway/Iggy/Howard is pretty sick on both ends of the floor.
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:04 PM   #7253
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Yeah I really like the Iggy pick. IMO both Iggy and D12 need to be on the floor with a good ball handler (or else they'll both turn it over a lot), and Tim Hardaway is exactly that.
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:05 PM   #7254
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Oh yeah and Horny (hehehe) fits in well with KG and Lambeer. That team is def in my fave 5.
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:59 PM   #7255
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sick team
Seriously i think seadood has had my favorite draft so far
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:05 PM   #7256
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Dantley and Parrish are late 1st round picks amirite?
I would think Parish would go mid/late 1st. Dantley is a very interesting case...amazing offense, not much defense. Kinda reminds me of Amare(although obviously different positions).
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:07 PM   #7257
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1. yes

2. Best Offense - Jesus, Kiki, Brand is 3 legit #1 offensive threats who are all very efficient for their positions. Yes, need to pick someone at some point who can distribute, but this team can flat out score from anywhere. Honorable mention to the Porter/Aguirre/DRob combo.

Worst offense - Reggie/Artest/Rodman

Best Defense - Payton/Sheed/Chandler

Worst Defense - Amare/Prince/Price

3. Best Pick - Joe Johnson

Worst Pick - Horford
picking your own team or players for any of these questions is queer imo.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:12 PM   #7258
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haha yea
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:13 PM   #7259
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he's kinda right, though. His team is an offensive powerhouse
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:20 PM   #7260
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I like both of those picks a lot. I really like the Horny/Lamb/Big Ticket team.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:24 PM   #7261
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good picks.

why did you guys take the pacino entry out of the thread - it was brilliant. especially the choice of pictures. stop taking things so seriously. i can guarantee that anyone who ever opened that thread to scroll through all the players would've thought it hilarious.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:31 PM   #7262
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Have we heard a defence of the Battier pick since Tayshaun was picked? Seriously i wanna know how the hell Battier was picked over Tayshaun.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:32 PM   #7263
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good picks.

why did you guys take the pacino entry out of the thread - it was brilliant. especially the choice of pictures. stop taking things so seriously. i can guarantee that anyone who ever opened that thread to scroll through all the players would've thought it hilarious.
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Old 05-26-2008, 03:47 PM   #7264
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Have we heard a defence of the Battier pick since Tayshaun was picked? Seriously i wanna know how the hell Battier was picked over Tayshaun.
Do you really think Tayshaun is significantly better than Battier? They take a similar number of shots but Tayshaun isn't as efficient. They're both have a reputation as defensive stoppers, but Tayshaun got that reputation playing with two of the best defensive players in the league (Sheed/Wallace). Battier blocks and rebounds better, too. Plus, Tayshaun started at 22, so you miss two of his years as opposed to one from Battier.

I think there are players out there similar to Battier which would make it look bad. Tayshaun isn't one of them.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:09 PM   #7265
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Battier and Prince don't play the same style of offense. Tayshaun is a bit more of a playmaker, and can create a little bit by posting up. Battier is more of a volume long-range shooter, usually getting open off screens or slow rotations.

Defensively I think they both are excellent, so a lot of "who's better" depends on what type of a team you have. For instance I would prefer a guy like Battier on my team (KG, Laimbeer, Hornacek) because I'd want more spacing, and obv. more guys that can hit the 3. And while their three point shooting %s are fairly similar, Battier's is a little more prolific and makes more long range shots.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:11 PM   #7266
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I think just from watching them the difference is clear. Tayshaun has greater quickness, combined with his unusual frame and strength that allows him to guard 2-4 better than Battier. Tayshaun also has a significantly better PER (15.1 vs 13.8).

The two are very similar offensively, but I would argue Battier SHOULD be much better as Yao and Mcgrady take a hell of a lot of the defensive focuse away from him. On the Detroit team, theres no real superstars that a D has to lock down on like in Houston, yet still Tayshaun puts up good efficient offense.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:12 PM   #7267
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I don't think 15.1 and 13.8 are that different. 15 is average. 13.8 is less than 10% below average.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:12 PM   #7268
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Me and Flyingmoose have worked out a trade (as long as Nath doesn't take my guy, if he does the trade is void).

The trade is his 3rd round pick (next after nath)+ his 7th for my 4th round pick and KLJ's 4th round pick.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:14 PM   #7269
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I don't think 15.1 and 13.8 are that different. 15 is average. 13.8 is less than 10% below average.
Its not huge but its enough to show a difference in career numbers.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:17 PM   #7270
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Cool just have to sweat one guy now.

So what if nath takes your man?

[edit] I think I know who it is.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:18 PM   #7271
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Cool just have to sweat one guy now.

So what if nath takes your man?
Dtemp = Nath (he gave his team to Nath). If Nath takes my guy the trade is off.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:19 PM   #7272
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Battier and Prince don't play the same style of offense. Tayshaun is a bit more of a playmaker, and can create a little bit by posting up. Battier is more of a volume long-range shooter, usually getting open off screens or slow rotations.

Defensively I think they both are excellent, so a lot of "who's better" depends on what type of a team you have. For instance I would prefer a guy like Battier on my team (KG, Laimbeer, Hornacek) because I'd want more spacing, and obv. more guys that can hit the 3. And while their three point shooting %s are fairly similar, Battier's is a little more prolific and makes more long range shots.
It's posts like this that make me trust seadood's opinions on older players.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:22 PM   #7273
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Also this will be me if Nath takes my guy (in cat form of course).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF88I...eature=related
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:24 PM   #7274
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Also, on the JJ pick (which I think was great). Which comparable players do people think he should of been picked before?

Alvin Robertson
Michael Redd
Eddie Jones
Mark Aguirre
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

I think if Im re ranking these guys now I go something like...

Eddie Jones
Mark Aguirre
Joe Johnson
Michael Redd
Alvin Robertson
Michael Finley
Dale Ellis

I think Jones to Robertson is tight with the other two a slight bit behind the pack (and I may be underating Robertson I think)
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:24 PM   #7275
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I think just from watching them the difference is clear. Tayshaun has greater quickness, combined with his unusual frame and strength that allows him to guard 2-4 better than Battier. Tayshaun also has a significantly better PER (15.1 vs 13.8).

The two are very similar offensively, but I would argue Battier SHOULD be much better as Yao and Mcgrady take a hell of a lot of the defensive focuse away from him. On the Detroit team, theres no real superstars that a D has to lock down on like in Houston, yet still Tayshaun puts up good efficient offense.
I'm no sure why you're calling a 1.3 difference in PER significant. Want me to find stats Battier is significantly better in? Wins Produced, WSAA, whatever. Add them all together and you'll find that they're both about equal.

Also, I'm not really sure you should be using T-Mac (27 games missed, sub .500 TS%) and Yao (60 games missed) against Shane Battier. The Rockets are a pretty terrible offensive team, but he's got on of the highest ORtgs in the league. Besides, he did the same things in Memphis, and all that team had was Pau Gasol.

And Tayshaun doesn't put up "good efficient offense." It's below average.
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