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Old 05-26-2008, 01:00 AM   #7076
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:00 AM   #7077
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don't want to keep ya'll in suspense, im drafting derrick coleman, writeup coming.
Really good project pick that makes the marbury pick look even worse. Coleman was good but he could have been one of the most versatile and atheletic players of this era had he given a **** about basketball. If you can make Coleman care about conditioning, this could be an awesome pick. Then again Shaq was not known for his conditioning so you could get attitude problems on your team.

Also, horford pick is bizarre when his ceiling is lower than the actual careers of at least 3 big men available.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:02 AM   #7078
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ask steven a smith bout kwame
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:03 AM   #7079
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The Kidd as a reach stuff is crazy but w/e. As far as Mitch...once I took Kidd I'm clearly not taking Timmy. And I think Mitch > Mullin so this "I drafted the worst of Run TMC" is pretty stupid too. Yeah I took Horford at least 1 if not 2 rounds too early. I wanted a Center that could run the floor as well as play in the half court set. There are some more established centers out there but alot of them either specialize in the halfcourt, have huge health concerns or for alot of them both. For a 21 y/o Horf showed a ton of signs of being a great big man for many years. To suggest that I merely grabbed a 10-10 guy is selling him way too short. Yes guys like Horace Grant established that they could put up similar stats for a longer period of time but they don't have the ceiling of Horford. With other guys like Biedrins going now I felt that this was an appropriate time for Horford.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:03 AM   #7080
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bobbo's got the fattest front court ever. and this is coming from a team with kemp and sabonis. lol. i know coleman put up fat stats, but neil hates him.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:05 AM   #7081
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Kidd was def a reach, I mean if you wanted a PG you shoulda taken Payton over him.

Also Pippen/God McHale shoulda went over Kidd too. You could have made other arguments for a handful of other guys.

Mitch in the 2nd was also a reach like you said, he was the 3rd best player on his team (and the first to be picked). I think a good 10-15 players should have been picked ahead of mitch.
How the *** can anyone describe Mitch Richmond as a reach??? r u insane???...oops - I just noticed who wrote this comment...nvm


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don't want to keep ya'll in suspense, im drafting derrick coleman, writeup coming.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:05 AM   #7082
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Really good project pick that makes the marbury pick look even worse. Coleman was good but he could have been one of the most versatile and atheletic players of this era had he given a **** about basketball. If you can make Coleman care about conditioning, this could be an awesome pick. Then again Shaq was not known for his conditioning so you could get attitude problems on your team.
Yeah, the Coleman pick is a real referendum on the Marbury pick because Coleman is a power forward and I obviously should have taken him even though I already had Barkley. Nice insight sir.

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Also, horford pick is bizarre when his ceiling is lower than the actual careers of at least 3 big men available.
Agreed (26 posts earlier).
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:06 AM   #7083
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as usual, wikipedia sums it up best:

Throughout his career, the left-handed Coleman has been an effective low post scorer with a reliable perimeter shooting touch. He enjoyed his best years as a member of the New Jersey Nets. However, his career was overshadowed by his questionable attitude (lack of work ethic resulting in excessive weight gain, plus alcohol abuse and general disruptive behavior), unrealized potential, and his penchant for injury. A Sports Illustrated reporter once remarked that "Coleman could have been the best power forward ever; instead he played just well enough to ensure his next paycheck."

whether the big Aristotle be able to smack some sense into the young lad is as big an IF as coleman's fat ass
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:06 AM   #7084
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How the *** can anyone describe Mitch Richmond as a reach??? r u insane???...oops - I just noticed who wrote this comment...nvm
cause he was?
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:10 AM   #7085
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At the start of training camp one year with the Nets, Beard advised his players to adhere to a dress code or be fined. Coleman outraged Beard by simply handing him a blank check to cover all the fines he promised to pile up.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:13 AM   #7086
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thats just dc being dc. i love him. he's all street.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:13 AM   #7087
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Yeah, the Coleman pick is a real referendum on the Marbury pick because Coleman is a power forward and I obviously should have taken him even though I already had Barkley. Nice insight sir.
It is what it is; you took a project in the mid-2nd that has a lower ceiling than the project just picked up in the late third. If I polled this thread for potential, coleman would win in a landslide.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:14 AM   #7088
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wtf @ people loving this pick. i mean, you can't really say "MARBURY PICK SUCKS" and then say "I LOVE DERRICK COLEMAN" even if it is a half round later.

for the record, they're both very talented players, but both are pretty harmful to any team environments. whether or not you think this will succeed depends on whether or not you think shaq-lead locker room would be helpful or harmful to a player like coleman. i don't think i can name a player who shaq's played with who's a) as important to the team as coleman, and b) had a coleman like 'tude
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:17 AM   #7089
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It is what it is; you took a project in the mid-2nd that has a lower ceiling than the project just picked up in the late third. If I polled this thread for potential, coleman would win in a landslide.
What is this, a popularity contest? Or a draft?

Oh also I like how you call the 28th pick of the 2nd round "mid 2nd round" and the 22nd pick of the 3rd round is "late 3rd round pick" If you're going to be blatantly biased at least try to hide it with some superficial objectivity.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:18 AM   #7090
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What is this, a popularity contest? Or a draft?
pretty sure it's both
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:18 AM   #7091
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Round #3/ Pick 102: via FaDi Derrick Coleman


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...LgwuTSAw&hl=en

Derirck Coleman is the player that is the best fit for my need as well as one of the best talents available. I wont make the bold statement he's the BPA, because frankly I have no idea who IS the BPA. Similar to my EJ writeup, I'm going to list DC's accomplishments; follow it up with his stats; than detail my team plans.

*Note here I traded up to get him, since I felt this addition to my team was essential. I felt he was one of the top PFs available and would not be around 17 picks later. Perhaps I am right, otherwise I cost myself a valuable asset later.

Team BobboFitos:
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SG - Eddie Jones
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PF - Derrick Coleman
C - Shaquille O'Neal

Derrick Coleman was a 15 year veteran, at 6'10 and a (playing!) weight of 230lbs. A former all star in 1994, Coleman also won Rookie of the Year honors in 1990-01, and 2 all-NBA teams. (Which is somewhat odd/funny, because it's generally harder to make an all-NBA team than it is to make an all star team, 15 spots vs 24)

Derrick Coleman ("DC") was a 23 year old rookie, where he put up 18.4/10/3/2.2 (17.6 PER) but this doesn't count. That's fine! He blossomed from there, earning marks of... 7 of the next 9 years PER was 17.3 or higher, with a peak 25/26 of 21.2/21.4. (110 and 111 ORtg, 101 and 102 DRtg)

DC is not one to play a full season. In fact, the one big knock on him (well, 2 really!) are that he was injury-prone (never played a full season, and generally missed 25% of his games) and liked breaking the law. (Numerous encounters that are considered illegal) I have no defense for this, but plan on approaching the regular season as a warming up period where both Shaq and DC will get their rest, so that they can power me through the playoffs. (If it's any consolation, DC barely missed any playoff games) I am also on Shaq being the alpha dog to keep DC in line. He certainly adds an element of imbalance, which can either propel a team or detract it.

No writeup would be correct without listing defensive stuff, as well, since that was a major reason for my pick. At 6-10, I have a very tall front court (with the 7'1 Shaq at the 5 spot) and a good combination of strength and speed. DC has a career DRtg of 103 (including his best defense years of 99 twice, 100 twice, than 101 3 times). Career-wise, averaged 1.3 bpg and .8 spg, but only 2.6 fouls/game.

Even though I want Eddie Jones to be my #2 option, DC will likely claim the 2nd spot in shot attempts. With a career usage rate of 23.8, (peaking @27 yrs old, 26.4%) he is no stranger to shouldering a load. Since I plan on being an inside-outside team, his post game will complement Shaq. (He can hit the midrange, pnr, and more importantly, was an OK passer).

Note that I also like drawing fouls, especially as a way with the 9-man roster of countering Shaq. One of DC's biggest strengths is that he averaged for a career 5.5 fta, peaking @ 8.8 a game as a 27 yr old.

Alright, lets move into more in depth how he fits in with both Shaq and EJ. Although I haven't decided the direction of my team, I am pretty sure I will implement an inside focused offense, which will mean funneling the ball into either Shaq or DC, and letting them pick off the weaker post man. Since I don't want teams to be able to double Shaq inside, this required me to select a postman with moves. DC fits the bill. Further, I also wanted someone who is an adept passer who doesn't turn the ball over much; although DC is not strong in either category, he also does alright. (2.5 apg vs 2.6 TOpg, roughly 1:1 A/TO, for a PF that's OK) Being able to free up my outside shooting (thus far, just EJ) is essential too.

Defensively, I have my post defense set. DC is a very competent 1on1 defender, who is quick enough to rotate to the perimeter if the situation calls for it. With both Shaq and DC, my opponents shouldn't be getting many offensive boards, as well. Although DC isn't a master shot blocker, he was solid enough in that regard to be a slight positive for me there.

Going back to my overall philosophy (balance) I think DC at this spot offers me a good #2 post option that is +EV, will draw many fouls, and wont allow teams to double down on Shaq. Defensively he will be another anchor, so I will continue my quest to build a complete offensive AND defensive team.

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Old 05-26-2008, 01:20 AM   #7092
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I think this is just as bad as Marbury. I mean, weight and alcohol issues are about as far away from a fluke as there is. There is no peak he might have gotten to, this isn't an ankle injury that might not have happened, this is an addiction that he will never get over and it will always happen. There is no luck involved.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:21 AM   #7093
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Coleman is an ok pick imo. Nothing great though. All 5 of the guys on my want list are still available including one that I almost picked last round.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:23 AM   #7094
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I think this is just as bad as Marbury. I mean, weight and alcohol issues are about as far away from a fluke as there is. There is no peak he might have gotten to, this isn't an ankle injury that might not have happened, this is an addiction that he will never get over and it will always happen. There is no luck involved.
Well we know which side of the genetics vs environment debate you are on.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:23 AM   #7095
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btw, worthy of discussion, is Magic's HIV considered a fluke injury or a foregone conclusion? This could be important in his value.
The guy still had it in the tank when he was 36. Just sick. Probably the most efficient player ever.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:24 AM   #7096
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What is this, a popularity contest? Or a draft?

Oh also I like how you call the 28th pick of the 2nd round "mid 2nd round" and the 22nd pick of the 3rd round is "late 3rd round pick" If you're going to be blatantly biased at least try to hide it with some superficial objectivity.
Since you guys can't get the players to play the games I'm pretty sure it is something of a popularity contest.

You're right I mis-characterized the draft positions. Still think Coleman is better, and I guess we'll just have to disagree about it.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:25 AM   #7097
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wtf @ people loving this pick. i mean, you can't really say "MARBURY PICK SUCKS" and then say "I LOVE DERRICK COLEMAN" even if it is a half round later.
wtf are you talking about - i dont see anyone raving about it. i just said i love dc - thats all i meant. his negatives are widely known. i think its a fine pick but nothing earth shattering.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:26 AM   #7098
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Coleman is an ok pick imo. Nothing great though. All 5 of the guys on my want list are still available including one that I almost picked last round.
I agree. Coleman is a great project pick but there are guys still on board with great careers and pretty good peaks left at his position. At least 2, maybe 3 big men left who are better almost all the big men picked in this round. Def. a gamble but I think he's picking to win and has a lot of arguing to do.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:26 AM   #7099
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Coleman was okay, probably would be better shooting about half the shots he did and handling the ball a lot less. Good D, good rebounding, bad efficiency (for a big), bad turnovers. Decent passer though. Shaq and Coleman are pretty good passing options for a front court. Could complement each other nicely.

Al Horford rates kind of a wtf. a 10/10 guy (not even) after only one year.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:28 AM   #7100
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bobbo's got the fattest front court ever. and this is coming from a team with kemp and sabonis. lol. i know coleman put up fat stats, but neil hates him.
Surprisingly tho, for someone who didn't "care", DC was really effective on the defensive end. For those who didn't read the writeup (it's long) the cliffnotes are that I'm excited to have 2 post presences, since I will constantly be looking for the mismatch, and the fact both guys can find the open man (are not blackholes) makes me like feeding them. The major problem right now are that Shaq and DC are similar: They will miss alot of the regular season. (Both are likely to only play 60 games)
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