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Old 05-08-2008, 02:21 PM   #651
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Yea... that makes so much sense. I'm going to guess that most people don't think your funny, as I do not either
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:26 PM   #652
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Sir Charles! What a beast.

I think that this board forgets how damn good guys like Stockton and Isiah were in their prime. There may be a forgetting factor here, CP's greatness is fresh in everyone's mind while Isiah pwning the Lakers on one leg isn't, some of you were in diapers--some just aren't remembering that after their first years in the league that their hype was just as high.

EDIT: and by pwning the Lakers on one leg I mean 25 points in one quarter

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Old 05-08-2008, 02:27 PM   #653
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:32 PM   #654
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BigCat - Im not trying to be the Fifth grade bully here - but we cant keep adding people on the already long list of GMs. Youre more than welcome to criticize any pick you want (especially the terrible Chris Paul pick)...

Dont be so angry child - you know momma still love you...

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Old 05-08-2008, 02:35 PM   #655
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Yea... that makes so much sense. I'm going to guess that most people don't think your funny, as I do not either
Wait...your name is BigCat and you don't know who Andres Galarraga is???
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:42 PM   #656
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Haha! Well you orginally said you were putting a limit at 40 and i signed up around 35. Like I said, I signed up just so I could get into this draft. I knew I would do a much better job with older players then 3/4 of the owners so I figured having me as an owner would provide greater depth and knowledge since I've been watching the NBA for a very long time. I'm definately dissappointed if your choice is to not add me as an owner though and it will affect my interest in following the draft (since it moves at the pace of snails)
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:46 PM   #657
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I didn't say I didn't know who he was but my nickname is about my name, not about him. Or for The BigCat Earnie Ladd from the WWF either. I did not catch your analogy because like I said, when I hear the name I think of me, not either Gallaraga or Ladd, or any other BigCat for that matter.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:55 PM   #658
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Sir Charles! What a beast.

I think that this board forgets how damn good guys like Stockton and Isiah were in their prime. There may be a forgetting factor here, CP's greatness is fresh in everyone's mind while Isiah pwning the Lakers on one leg isn't, some of you were in diapers--some just aren't remembering that after their first years in the league that their hype was just as high.

EDIT: and by pwning the Lakers on one leg I mean 25 points in one quarter
Yeah no reason what so ever that CP3 should be going before Isiah. Go on youtube and watch Isiah highlights and check out the 1984 playoff game vs the Knicks and Game 6 of the 88 Finals when he was breaking the Lakers off with 1 leg. Isiah was a beast and was barely 6 foot. Damn that guy was so good. The disrespect for Isiah continues. Left off the dream team and has chris paul picked before him in this. WOW !!!!

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Old 05-08-2008, 02:58 PM   #659
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:59 PM   #660
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Yea, I think there should have been about 30 guys off the top of my head that should be taken before a guy who, #1 has only played 3 seasons, and #2 has no mvp awards, NBA Championships, or really anything else for that matter besides one standout season to stand on. Granted, the fact that he is fresh in your mind and killing it in the playoffs is no reason to ignore pretty much anyone on the Dream Team (excluding Christian Laettner and probably Chris Mullin)
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:01 PM   #661
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I am thinking we should give everyone a 12 hour limit on every pick!...and to esnure this goes smoothly...and without having to kick people off non stop, Im thinking of doing what I do in my regular home basketball pool (in which everyone gets one minute to make their selection and if they go over)...

You get an autopick

An autopick would be automatically taking the next player available on pre-written list of the top scorers of the previous year. (in this case - it would be a lil more complex than that - so I would love to hear some feedback for this pre-written list please)

If we can somehow get this list comprised before the first round has ended - it would be ideal. Im not asking for you guys to start shouting out the top names in the game - rather give a formula for this 'quick-and easy' list. eg. top 25 scorers from 1990-once theyre all picked, then top 25 scorers from 1991- once theyre all picked, then the top 25 scorers from 1992-once theyre all picked 1993...and so on.

I say let the first round go as it is (12 hours per pick)...that way we can weed out the people who really want to be here or not...after that we can use this 12 hour rule.

I don't know about autopick, but maybe. Another way to speed this up would be to say you 5 guys pick today, you 5 pick tomorrow, next 5 the next day, etc. So that way everyone knows what day they pick on, and they can be ready accordingly.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:02 PM   #662
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Isiah obv screwed his own legacy with the Knicks, but even that aside, he is one of the most unlikeable players ever, so no real surprise that he hasn't been picked yet.

That said, yeah he was awesome.

Also, I think Franchise got good value w/ the Stockton pick, even if I hate that dirty bastard.

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Old 05-08-2008, 03:04 PM   #663
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He also isn't as good as Stockton is, IMO.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:22 PM   #664
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I actually wouldn't mind being added to this. It's summer and I'll be playing a lot of poker so I'll be around this site a bunch and won't bog down anything.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:23 PM   #665
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I don't think it would be any tougher either way you go. I don't think Jordan would have any tougher time now and I don't think Kobe and Lebron would have any easier of a time then. When you are talking about players as great as those 3 they'll dominate any era. Skill wise Kobe and Jordan are pretty much a toss up if you ask me. So as far as basketball playing ability alone to me it's a pick 'em. When talking about greatest ever though, career acomplishments and resume is ussually what people are talking about and in that regard Kobe still has a ways to catch Mike. Lebron physically is a different player then MJ and Kobe that's why I like to keep the comparisons to just MJ and Kobe. As far as Lebron's career accomplishments again, he has a long way to catch MJ but he's off to a good start. Just look over Jordan's career and what he accomplished. It's mind boggling. LBJ and Kobe are great but they are going to have to achieve an awful lot in the remainder of their careers to match MJs.

I still don't see where the depth argument is even relavent though. Jordan is an elite player so you should be comparing the elite players of the time not if the 2nd or 3rd guy off the bench on average is better then or now because it doesn't matter. Neither one could hold a torch to an elite player (which is they type of player we are discussing) so why does it matter? What matters is the top 2 or 3 players on each team.
Jordan would def have a tougher time now, defenses are more complex, players are better/more athletic etc. Obv Jordan would still dominate, and imo would still be the best player in the game, but it wouldn't be hands down automatic like people think.

I realize what Jordan accomplished (I grew up during the Jordan era and watched a ton of Jordan) and Kobe/Lebron will have a tougher time accomplishing what he did, because the league is better now than it was back in the 90's, and there supporting cast will very likley never be as good as Jordan's supporting cast was.

Notice during the 80's Jordan didn't win anything, the league was tougher during the 80's as well than during the 90's. Yes his team sucked, but so does Lebron's, and Lebron accomplished more in his career than Jordan has up to this age. Lebron is also a better player at his age right now than Jordan was imo.

Obv a lot has yet to be decided, that's why I specifically said when there careers are over, Kobe/Lebron will probably both be able to make cases that they were as good, if not better than Jordan (especially Lebron).
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:28 PM   #666
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I don't understand why players think you would be getting Jordan from the 1980s and just put him right in the league now. If he were playing in the modern era, he would be schooled on the defenses predominantly used and would have the better training/nutrition that players had now. He would still destroy everyone today.
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Does this mean you wanted Barkley?
Stockton > Barkley
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:39 PM   #670
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Does this mean you wanted Barkley?
I wanted you to pick Howard so we could all LOL at you. But Clark had to make fun of you and make you change your mind and wait 12 hours to make your pick.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:48 PM   #671
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I think it's an apples and oranges comparison. A lot of Stockton's production came from Malone obviously. The Sixers' top assist men during Barkley's prime were Cheeks and Dawkins, at 7-8 assists/game. Also I think that regardless, the dropoff in power forwards after the elite level is more significant than for point guards. I'll still be able to get a very good point guard in the second round.
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I think it's an apples and oranges comparison. A lot of Stockton's production came from Malone obviously. The Sixers' top assist men during Barkley's prime were Cheeks and Dawkins, at 7-8 assists/game. Also I think that regardless, the dropoff in power forwards after the elite level is more significant than for point guards. I'll still be able to get a very good point guard in the second round.
you are wrong about so many things here
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Okay that's nice
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I think it's an apples and oranges comparison. A lot of Stockton's production came from Malone obviously. The Sixers' top assist men during Barkley's prime were Cheeks and Dawkins, at 7-8 assists/game. Also I think that regardless, the dropoff in power forwards after the elite level is more significant than for point guards. I'll still be able to get a very good point guard in the second round.
I just feel that on offense Stockton was slightly better than Barkley, and on defense he was much better than Barkley.

Barkley was obv a beast on the boards, but I don't feel it is enough to overcome the differences.
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People are underestimating the amount of PF's who can score and rebound.
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