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Old 05-08-2008, 01:23 PM   #626
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I think it's pretty ****ty to boot someone when there is a clear timelimit that he has not even come close to crossing (like seriously it's been what, 8 hours, 1/3rd of his timelimit?)

Yes what he did is somewhat dick, but it's even more dick to boot someone for not breaking any of the rules.
We need to change the rules to if you are on and actively discussing on the thread and your pick comes up then you need to pick before you sign off. It's silly what HSP did. It slows up everything. It's even more rediculous for him to use me as the reason why it was okay for him to do it. I wasn't even on the board when my pick came up. I checked the forum first thing in the morning and saw it was my pick and I picked immediately. That is nowhere close to the same thing that HSP did.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:23 PM   #627
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boot hsp. limit to 35 gms or whatever. do reverse super tricky style.

also, if someone is active they should make their pick. its not rocket science. it doesnt require calculations and tons of data interpretation. make your freaking pick if youre here and have 30 min free time.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:25 PM   #628
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We need to change the rules to if you are on and actively discussing on the thread and your pick comes up then you need to pick before you sign off. It's silly what HSP did. It slows up everything. It's even more rediculous for him to use me as the reason why it was okay for him to do it. I wasn't even on the board when my pick came up. I checked the forum first thing in the morning and saw it was my pick and I picked immediately. That is nowhere close to the same thing that HSP did.
Well he obviously wanted to see if anyone wanted to trade up to his pick, which I think is legit, as it should be his right to field trade offers for his pick, and obviously u need to wait a decent amount of hours to see if anyone wants to trade.

Now if you aren't fielding any trade offers, and are online, you should make your pick, I agree with that.

However by the time it's close to my pick, I might be trying to trade either up or down depending on how the players fall.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:29 PM   #629
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I'm sure that the 125th player today >>>>>>> 125th player in one year in the 80's or 90's as well. I really can't believe a few of you think the league is not deeper now than it was in the 80's or 90's, seriously it makes me laugh.

And no way was the depth the same in any of those years u mentioned (except maybe 1997 because that's when we start getting into a deeper league like we have today) better than today.

Okay I'll go with you for a minute and say that the 125th best player today is better than the 125th best player. What does that have to do with Michael Jordan not being able to dominate now if he was in his prime? You used the depth originally as a knock against Jordan as if it would've been exponentialy tougher for him to have the same career if he had came into the league (with the same exact skills) in 2004 as oppossed to 84. No one was able to hold Jordan then and no one would be able to hold him now either. He'd still put up 30 something a game and if he had a good enough team around him he'd still win a handful of titles.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:33 PM   #630
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Okay I'll go with you for a minute and say that the 125th best player today is better than the 125th best player. What does that have to do with Michael Jordan not being able to dominate now if he was in his prime? You used the depth originally as a knock against Jordan as if it would've been exponentialy tougher for him to have the same career if he had came into the league (with the same exact skills) in 2004 as oppossed to 84. No one was able to hold Jordan then and no one would be able to hold him now either. He'd still put up 30 something a game and if he had a good enough team around him he'd still win a handful of titles.
I'm not doubting Jordan is the best ever (Infact i've said it in this thread many times), just that he would have a slightly tougher time now, and that he did play in a weaker overall era than today (especially the 90's).

I also don't think the difference between either Kobe, or Lebron (when his career reaches his prime) will be nearly as big as people on here think. Infact, I think when both their careers are done, you could probably make a case for them being as good, if not better than Jordan (especially Lebron).

That is all.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:34 PM   #631
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I am thinking we should give everyone a 12 hour limit on every pick!...and to esnure this goes smoothly...and without having to kick people off non stop, Im thinking of doing what I do in my regular home basketball pool (in which everyone gets one minute to make their selection and if they go over)...

You get an autopick

An autopick would be automatically taking the next player available on pre-written list of the top scorers of the previous year. (in this case - it would be a lil more complex than that - so I would love to hear some feedback for this pre-written list please)

If we can somehow get this list comprised before the first round has ended - it would be ideal. Im not asking for you guys to start shouting out the top names in the game - rather give a formula for this 'quick-and easy' list. eg. top 25 scorers from 1990-once theyre all picked, then top 25 scorers from 1991- once theyre all picked, then the top 25 scorers from 1992-once theyre all picked 1993...and so on.

I say let the first round go as it is (12 hours per pick)...that way we can weed out the people who really want to be here or not...after that we can use this 12 hour rule.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:35 PM   #632
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there will never be another MJ
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:37 PM   #633
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I am thinking we should give everyone a 12 hour limit on every pick!...and to esnure this goes smoothly...and without having to kick people off non stop, Im thinking of doing what I do in my regular home basketball pool (in which everyone gets one minute to make their selection)...which is:

You get an autopick

An autopick would be automatically taking the next player available on pre-written list of the top scorers of the previous year. (in this case - it would be a lil more complex than that - so I would love to hear some feedback please)

If we can somehow get this list comprised before the first round has ended - it would be ideal. Im not asking for you guys to start shouting out the top names in the game - rather give a formula for this 'quick-and easy' list. eg. top 25 scorers from 1990, then top 25 scorers from 1991, then the top 25 scorers from 1992...and so on.

I say let the first round go as it is (12 hours per pick)...that way we can weed out the people who really want to be here or not...after that we can use this 12 hour rule.
Maybe you forgot that some people sleep, that already takes up 8-10 hours of their timelimit. Also people go out on nights, have jobs etc.

autopick is fine, but I think that if a person gets back on and doesn't like their autopick, they should be able to change it to another player (assuming that player is still avaliable and hasn't been taking yet).
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:38 PM   #634
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Round #1, Pick #13: Charles Barkley


Sir Charles was one of the toughest, most ferocious competitors of his era, and one of the most dominant power forwards ever despite standing just 6'4. Charles was always underappreciated due to never playing on a championship caliber team, and never getting the chance to play with another star in his prime like many higher selections did. At the age of 24, he had just come off a season in which he led the league in rebounding at 14.6 per game. He averaged 22/12 throughout his 16-seasons, and had a peak of 6 years where he averaged 26/12/4, capped by his 1993 MVP season when he took Phoenix to the finals. Barkley was a player who competed as hard as anyone at both ends of the floor and had an insatiable will to win.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:39 PM   #635
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that pick is not turruble
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:40 PM   #636
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there will never be another MJ
Yeah, just someone who is better than MJ.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:40 PM   #637
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I think 24 hours is fine, but it's intent is so people can have a life outside of this forum and still participate. If you are logged in and participating, it should not be a fall back plan to be a dick.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:40 PM   #638
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Now that wasn't so hard, was it? Finally.
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Yeah, just someone who is better than MJ.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:41 PM   #640
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LOL
I guarentee you if basketball is played for 500+ more years, there will be someone better than MJ. To think there won't ever be is just dumb. Heck it will probably only take 50 years at most.
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shoulda used this pic for chuck

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ok - whatever - make it a 24 hour rule.

Im sayin - what r we going to do int he fifth round and HSP hasnt picked for 2 days?...

an autopick would be th best option imo.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:43 PM   #643
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i'm watching the HU Tourney Durr vs. Hellmuth on Hulu.com. Oh man so awesome. Durr's voice is creeeeepy
Wow, that's creepy. We were watching it at the same time.

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Wow, that's creepy. We were watching it at the same time.
over my head

watching what exactly?
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over my head

watching what exactly?
Faaaahk. Somehow I quoted the wrong post. I believe it was KC who said he was watching the HU match between Dwan and Hellmuth on Hulu.

OK, edited for gettingitrightaments.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:55 PM   #646
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I'm not doubting Jordan is the best ever (Infact i've said it in this thread many times), just that he would have a slightly tougher time now, and that he did play in a weaker overall era than today (especially the 90's).

I also don't think the difference between either Kobe, or Lebron (when his career reaches his prime) will be nearly as big as people on here think. Infact, I think when both their careers are done, you could probably make a case for them being as good, if not better than Jordan (especially Lebron).

That is all.
I don't think it would be any tougher either way you go. I don't think Jordan would have any tougher time now and I don't think Kobe and Lebron would have any easier of a time then. When you are talking about players as great as those 3 they'll dominate any era. Skill wise Kobe and Jordan are pretty much a toss up if you ask me. So as far as basketball playing ability alone to me it's a pick 'em. When talking about greatest ever though, career acomplishments and resume is ussually what people are talking about and in that regard Kobe still has a ways to catch Mike. Lebron physically is a different player then MJ and Kobe that's why I like to keep the comparisons to just MJ and Kobe. As far as Lebron's career accomplishments again, he has a long way to catch MJ but he's off to a good start. Just look over Jordan's career and what he accomplished. It's mind boggling. LBJ and Kobe are great but they are going to have to achieve an awful lot in the remainder of their careers to match MJs.

I still don't see where the depth argument is even relavent though. Jordan is an elite player so you should be comparing the elite players of the time not if the 2nd or 3rd guy off the bench on average is better then or now because it doesn't matter. Neither one could hold a torch to an elite player (which is they type of player we are discussing) so why does it matter? What matters is the top 2 or 3 players on each team.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:09 PM   #647
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Add me to the draft. I have basketball knowledge and won't waste my pick on Chris Paul!
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:11 PM   #648
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Add me to the draft. I have basketball knowledge and won't waste my pick on Chris Paul!
You're going to pick Andres Galarraga right?
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:15 PM   #649
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Dude, i've been asking for the passed 2 days! Directly and indirectly. I only joined this forum so I could participate in this draft! Stop draggin ass and give me a spot. I guarantee to make the best of what players are left, even if I have to pick last.
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And if I don't get it, it still won't stop me from critiqueing terrible picks like Chris Paul at 11!
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