I'm not sure if you're trolling here or not, as you definitely did not respond to it. If you don't feel like debating anymore then just let me know, but here was what happened....




At this point, you were very active in the thread and posted many other times. But you never responded to that post. So I wrote:


At this point I thought you'd respond for sure, as you were still active in the thread and responding to other points. But you still didn't so I wrote:


You must've saw this because you made a new post and immediately bumped your own post(by immediately I mean you made it at 7:37PM and bumped it at 7:39PM):


I thought that continually ignoring my post and then copying my exact words(when I wasn't ignoring any of your posts) was annoying, so I wrote:

You responded:


At this point I didn't see how my post was immature at all, as I was just trying to get you to respond when you had been seletively responding to some of my posts but seemingly ignoring these ones regarding Hardaway. I had to leave for the night, so I told you to respond to it when you got a chance and I'd get back to you the next day. I even went so far as to personally apologize to you if I had come across as immature:

I came back the next day and saw that not only had you not responded to me, but you had instead made two more sarcastic and insulting posts towards me which added nothing to the debate:



So once again I ask you: Do you care to respond to my posts? If you just wish to be a sarcastic troll, then just let me know and I'll move on. I really don't care either way. However when you say:

I have to think that means that you're choosing the troll route, as theres no way you think you responded to it when you know for a fact you didn't(just search your user name and look at posts you made in between now and then for proof).

I'd be interested in moving up.

I'm a huge Battier fan, but I agree with this. My feeling before the draft was that we were going to overrate today's role players a ton while underrating the older role players, and I think thats definitely what is happening here. I think Battier went at least a round too early. I do like the unselfish nature of Deron/Marion/Battier there though, but I definitely would've gone with a big man and then picked up Battier or someone similar the next round.

KG and Duncan obviously. Dwight Howard probably too. Tyson Chandler probably belongs up there. I won't name other players. though, as they havn't been drafted.

Basically I don't think Brand is a bad defender at all. Hes definitely good. Hes just not "awesome", especially if you're pairing him with other poor defenders.

I do think you're getting too much criticism for Kiki...I don't think its a bad pick at all.

btw kidcolin i found this for you:

best of vlade divac

the real best of Vlade is in the easter eggs in my recap. A historic performance.

I havn't seen one person in this thread argue that Mullin is not better than Kiki. So when you see people say that Mullin is better, if you want to start a debate or to see some facts posted THEN IT IS ON YOU TO PROVE YOUR SIDE, NOT ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGREEING WITH THE CONCENSUS.

Yes you're right that people said Mullin was better than Kiki without providing proof. But then you said "Kiki>all SFs" without giving proof(and yes I know you've now retracted that statement). Your statement without proof was much worse because it needed proof, while the other one was generally accepted.

You start good debates by making posts with good facts and arguments, not by making hyperbole statements without offering any proof. If you had picked a few players who Kiki was drafted after and put forth long and solid arguments about why you thought Kiki was better than them, then it would've generated a good long debate probably instead of what happened.

Thats a freakin' awesome team. I'm not trying at all to give you any hints(I don't even have any player in mind here), but for awesomeness' sake please continue drafting these type of players the next two rounds and end up with the most insane and crazy team of all time. No team in the league is going to want to play you.

Hes inefficient and takes a lot of shots(and he doesn't seem like the guy to give a **** and stop taking his share of shots even if there are better options available). Its tough to want that on your team, but he does bring a lot of positives too.

btw i don't think it was posted, but here's the trade that went down between me and cowboy:

cowboy gives
95 (3rd round), 146 (4th round), 186 (5th round)

for my

88 (3rd round), 153 (4th round), 208 (6th round)

so i'm on deck

I was curious how Ron Ron would be judged. Unquestionably awesome on defense but the fact that he's certifiable is always a problem. Noone seems to have brought up that a lot of his good years (and years where he was able to stay on the courts) were between 19 and 24, another bad point. However I was hoping he'd slip even further so Id be forced into picking him.

Agree with everyone on Battier, great guy to have on your team, massive reach tho.

Love the Thorpe pick. Chambers is good, Chandler's ok I guess, not great, not awful.

Since he'll be in a completely different situation, theres about a .000001% chance that he also runs into the stands and fights someone in our league. However, theres obviously a much bigger chance with him than someone else that he misses games due to a suspension or "taking time off to focus on his music industry career."

I'd be interested in hearing more about your basketball background, that league, and the experience with Artest.

Maybe I'm not understand something, but why?

I think Chandler > Camby, so I think he was for sure good value here and with Rasheed that is a sick front line (defensively at least) that can match up with the likes of Ewing/Nance but with the added bonus of also having GP on your team.

I agree with this, but I assumed the initial statement was talking worldwide since it made no such qualifiers, and I don't see any reason for USA to be more important in these matters just because we happen to live here.

assani i responded to the post u bumped. i will go back and find it. its not that easy considering ive made 100s of posts in this thread. but hey, i want u to be happy and fulfilled.

PM me if you are interested in moving down.

Other threads that have reached the 10k mark have been locked because they supposed hurt the server somehow, I don't know exactly why, but that's why the omg omg threads start over every couple of weeks in BBV4L.

God you should've drafted Sheed instead of Reggie. Obviously I think Reggie>Sheed, but man....

maybe trade down and pick up a few more picks and then have Sheed, Rodman, Artest front line....so sick.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=5515

that was my response. i even quoted part of your post.

What kind of a sloppy operation do you think I'm running, the spreadsheet has been updated within minutes of the trade being made. You think I'd let a trade happen without being told of the details, come on!

Not much of a story, really. I was 14 or 15 at the time. It was a national tournament, he played for NY Riverside. I was usually a PF in middle school/high school, but I had to guard him because I was our best defender. They laid the wood to our team bigtime, he def had a dunk or 2.