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Old 05-08-2008, 09:58 AM   #601
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some picks could take 2 weeks(after the first round) and I'd be ok with that
I wouldn't. If you want mod support for this endeavor (and you need it to a certain extent, though it's not mandatory), you need a time limit to ensure it's a smooth process.

Plus, and this should be obvious, but reaching completion on this is going to be REALLY HARD TO DO. Not having clear forward progress on a daily basis is going to result in not one, not two, but many posters who simply give up and stop picking. Is round 5 gonna be tough to pick? Yeah, but round 5 won't be for another few weeks, and that's plenty of time to prepare. Preparation doesn't begin a day before our pick.

Your goal should be at MOST a 24 hour time limit. Less is not unreasonable since posters should have a clue as to when they are up. Even as it is, an average round will be like 4 posters/day, which is 10 days/round, which is 3 months to complete, and I think that's best case. This thing will die on the vine with anything less. Heck, fantasty football will be starting by then.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:07 AM   #602
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When it is my turn, I hope you guys aren't expecting me to pick at 4 in the morning--my ass will be sleeping.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:18 AM   #603
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Disagree, I can see Lebron becoming better than Jordan, Jordan also played in his prime during a time where the league's talent was much much much worse than it is now.
EDIT: I would obv take Jordan #1, but a case can be made for Lebron
You're joking right?
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:21 AM   #604
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He's not joking. Obviously the Dream Team would have gotten the smackdown from any of the recent US Mens National teams. Puerto Rico is just that good!
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:31 AM   #605
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I'm all for adding as many people as possible. SHARK DOCTOR has expressed interested in cutting off new people simply due to the practicality of getting the draft done in a somewhat manageable timeframe.

What does everyone else think?
What is it at now? I say we should cut it off at 40.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:41 AM   #606
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He's not joking. Obviously the Dream Team would have gotten the smackdown from any of the recent US Mens National teams. Puerto Rico is just that good!
This is a interesting proposition of a simulation which I am sure someone has already done.

OG Dream Team vs. Current Dream Team.

Many different arguments could be made, yet after thinking about it briefly, any current configuration of a Dream Team seems poorly outclassed by the OG Team.

So maybe it isn't that interesting at all.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:49 AM   #607
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Man, everything about this video is so right. Not just the awesomeness that is Larry Bird, but the intensity of the game. So much has been done to make the game more fan-friendly and it's pretty ghey IMO. Question for those with NBA TV, do they show great classic games like this all the time?
Yes they do show classic games on NBA TV
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:57 AM   #608
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Chris Paul is a do everything machine. It may be a "reach" to some, but the guy is as good of a PG as anyone ever was at age 22, so why not CP3?
Seriously how much better is Chris Paul even to a say Deron Williams or even Jason Kidd in his prime? Then to make the huuuuuuuuge stretch and take him over HOFers like Isiah and Stockton is crazy. CP3 is good but wow, better than Isiah, Jason Kidd and John Stockton?
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:06 AM   #609
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Also if anyone who owns the following players and is willing to discuss a trade, let me know.

Jordan
Shaq
Lebron
Duncan
Hakeem
Robinson
Kobe

I own Hakeem and I'm not giving him up.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #610
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I know it's a novel concept, in fact I'm only the second person to do it after BiiigChips.
I didn't even "sleep on it". I just wasn't on the board that night. Yesterday morning I came in and saw it was my pick and chose immediately.
You were on the board when it was your time to pick and you had been "on deck" for hours so you really should've had it narrowed down to 1 or 2 picks and been ready to pick immediately. I guarantee If I'm ever on the board when it's my pick that I'm gonna pick right then and not say "I'm gonna sleep on it" and make every one wait. Especially when it's only the 13th pick and the decisions should be the easiest right now.

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Old 05-08-2008, 11:19 AM   #611
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So the guy everyone was talking about gets picked 12th, hmm, big surprise there. Not saying he wasn't intending to pick him anyway, but we'll never know. It's a draft for a reason - personal opinions. If we wanted to just list the 100 best players in order, that's what we would be doing instead.
You're right. I had completely forgotten about Karl Malone and wasn't going to take him until everyone mentioned him. /sarcasm

In actuality, I had my pick narrowed to three guys (I won't mention all 3 until they've been picked) and figured that Malone would go at 11. I can't stand the guy, but he was one of the top 10 players in the league for 14 straight years.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:24 AM   #612
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btw thumbsdown to no picture included with the Hakeem pick!
I tried to edit my post and insert a picture right after I posted it yesterday once I noticed everyone else had a pic but for whatever reason the edit button isn't available.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:04 PM   #613
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AC Cobra, have SHARK DOCTOR or a mod add you to the end of the list in the other thread
Done, just waiting on that. Looks like Ill be pick 37.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:18 PM   #614
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He's not joking. Obviously the Dream Team would have gotten the smackdown from any of the recent US Mens National teams. Puerto Rico is just that good!
Ya cause every single great player today plays on the dream team, just like they did back then, also the world talent hasn't improved drastically (another reason why the NBA is so much deeper now than back in the early 90s).....cough.

My point was the elite players were roughly the same, but there are so many more very good/stars now (superstars are roughly the same) than there were back then.

I've seen a lot of running their mouths, but yet no one has actually taken the time to name 50-60 really good players in one specific year like I did for this year. (And it only took me 10 minutes to actually name all of them, so it's not like it was time consuming) And I didn't even name a bunch of very good players like JRich, Ben Gordon, Mo Williams, Steven Jackson, Mike Miller etc.

If you can't see that there is much more depth in the league right now you are blind, seriously.

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Old 05-08-2008, 12:29 PM   #615
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WTF. You guys let me down sometimes. Where is the hate for the Karl Malone pick? I would take Stockton waaaaay before Malone. I don't know, I could never stand those Jazz teams, so Im obv biased, but there are like 10 guys I would take before Malone b/c I think he's massively overrated because he got to play with a top 3 PG of all time for his entire career.

Plus, since this league will take place now instead of 15-20 years ago, you are only going to get like 2-3 years out of him before his pedo ass ends up on Dateline NBC/in prison.

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Ya cause every single great player today plays on the dream team, just like they did back then, also the world talent hasn't improved drastically (another reason why the NBA is so much deeper now than back in the early 90s).....cough.

My point was the elite players were roughly the same, but there are so many more very good/stars now (superstars are roughly the same) than there were back then.

I've seen a lot of running their mouths, but yet no one has actually taken the time to name 40-50 really good players in one specific year like I did for this year. (And it only took me 10 minutes to actually name all of them, so it's not like it was time consuming) And I didn't even name a bunch of very good players like JRich, Ben Gordon, Mo Williams, Steven Jackson, Mike Miller etc.

If you can't see that there is much more depth in the league right now you are blind, seriously.
Because it's time consuming and it's silly if you think about it. You really think there wasn't a year in Jordan's lets say first 10 seasons that there wasn't 40 players as good as the top 40 players in the league right now? You're crazy. It's easy to be consumed with the now. It's easy to ramble off names from the present because they are fresh in our minds. Also why are you naming off people like Steven Jackson, Mike Miller, etc? Those are called serviceable pros. The NBA has been and always will be filled with players like that. They aren't superstars often times there are 2 other players on their teams better than them. Are they good players? Sure they are. In the NBA everyone is pretty good once you get to that level.

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Because it's time consuming and it's silly if you think about it. You really think there wasn't a year in Jordan's lets say first 10 seasons that there wasn't 40 players as good as the top 40 players in the league right now? You're crazy. It's easy to be consumed with the now. It's easy to ramble off names from the present because they are fresh in our minds. Also why are you naming off people like Steven Jackson, Mike Miller, etc? Those are called serviceable pros. The NBA has been and always will be filled with players like that. They aren't superstars often times there are 2 other players on their teams better than them. Are they good players? Sure they are. In the NBA everyone is pretty good once you get to that level.
I actually edited it to 50-60 (cause I named roughly 60 players throughout my post/after in my other one).

And no the 60th player now >>>>>> the 60th player back then, just like the 50th player now >>>>>> 50th player back then, I don't understand why u all don't understand it.

More kids grew up playing basketball that are coming into the league now, than kids played back then, so of course there will be more really good players. Not to mention they start playing kids competitivley at like the 8th grade, the population keeps increasing as well, and the globlization of the NBA has played a huge factor as well with international players. There are also better training videos/coaching at younger ages as well.

I don't get why it's so hard for you people to understand this, it's really not a hard concept.

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Old 05-08-2008, 01:07 PM   #618
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wow - assani - how do u keep sayin yes to people who want to join in now?

We already have a list of 35 GMs and it cant go higher than that, Im sorry.

We've already denied 3 or 4 people - and if we say yes to AC Cobra, it wouldnt be fair to those who were already denied...I dont mean to sound like an ahole - but theres no way we can continue to keep adding GMs to the list and actually expect to finish this draft before Christmas.

Assani - do u understand any of this?...I thought you did after the PMs we sent to each other earlier.

The list of GMs is alrwady set - who ever is on the list...IS THE LIST.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:09 PM   #619
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wow - assani - how do u keep sayin yes to people who want to join in now?

We already have a list of 35 GMs and it cant go higher than that, Im sorry.

We've already denied 3 or 4 people - and if we say yes to AC Cobra, it wouldnt be fair to those who were already denied...I dont mean to sound like an ahole - but theres no way we can continue to keep adding GMs to the list and actually expect to finish this draft before Christmas.

Assani - do u understand any of this?...I thought you did after the PMs we sent to each other earlier.

The list of GMs is alrwady set - who ever is on the list...IS THE LIST.
I agree with this, there are way too many people in already and it's been like 4 days already and we are only on the 13th pick (and these are the easiest picks in the draft, wait til we get a few rounds deep and the picks get harder), this draft is going to take like 4+ months as is, which is ridiculous.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:15 PM   #620
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I'm in favor of booting HSP in the interests of speed, who's with me?
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I'm in favor of booting HSP in the interests of speed, who's with me?
I think it's pretty ****ty to boot someone when there is a clear timelimit that he has not even come close to crossing (like seriously it's been what, 8 hours, 1/3rd of his timelimit?)

Yes what he did is somewhat dick, but it's even more dick to boot someone for not breaking any of the rules.
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I'm thinking of booting him from this forum. He makes DSchmeid look productive.
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I actually edited it to 50-60 (cause I named roughly 60 players throughout my post/after in my other one).

And no the 60th player now >>>>>> the 60th player back then, just like the 50th player now >>>>>> 50th player back then, I don't understand why u all don't understand it.

More kids grew up playing basketball that are coming into the league now, than kids played back then, so of course there will be more really good players. Not to mention they start playing kids competitivley at like the 8th grade, the population keeps increasing as well, and the globlization of the NBA has played a huge factor as well with international players. There are also better training videos/coaching at younger ages as well.

I don't get why it's so hard for you people to understand this, it's really not a hard concept.
60 isn't enough. I think you'll have to go way deeper to prove your point. Now if you said something like players 125 and below are better now then that would be more reasonable. If you take the top 60 players in the 84, 89, 93, 97 (every 5 years in jordan's career) and compare them to the top 60 now, you'll see the depth is the same and big man wise the game was deeper in Jordan's time. Either way it's not a big enough of an advantage to give any validitiy to your claim that Jordan had it easier because the league is much, much, much, deeper now. Please. Jordan as an old man 5 years ago still avgd 20 a game. You don't think he'd avg the same thing he did during his prime years if he was in his prime today?
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Okay, so at long last I've decided on a pick. Just to clarify about last night, I was going to pick Dwight Howard if Malone was picked, until I informally polled the audience right before Lurchy picked and the assessment was that picking Howard was "borderline ******ed" (yes, even I am sometimes influenced by popular opinion). So then when it was my pick I did not really want to take him and couldn't think of an obvious one off the top of my head, so I decided I would be nice enough to tell everyone ahead of time that I was going to wait. If I really wanted to be an ******* and "punk" you guys on purpose, I would have just left you guys hanging, wondering whether I would ever pick or not.

My pick will be up within 15 minutes after I find a good image and do a writeup.
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60 isn't enough. I think you'll have to go way deeper to prove your point. Now if you said something like players 125 and below are better now then that would be more reasonable. If you take the top 60 players in the 84, 89, 93, 97 (every 5 years in jordan's career) and compare them to the top 60 now, you'll see the depth is the same and big man wise the game was deeper in Jordan's time. Either way it's not a big enough of an advantage to give any validitiy to your claim that Jordan had it easier because the league is much, much, much, deeper now. Please. Jordan as an old man 5 years ago still avgd 20 a game. You don't think he'd avg the same thing he did during his prime years if he was in his prime today?
I'm sure that the 125th player today >>>>>>> 125th player in one year in the 80's or 90's as well. I really can't believe a few of you think the league is not deeper now than it was in the 80's or 90's, seriously it makes me laugh.

And no way was the depth the same in any of those years u mentioned (except maybe 1997 because that's when we start getting into a deeper league like we have today) better than today.
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