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Old 05-22-2008, 01:44 AM   #6151
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thorpe is one of best picks in the draft great work
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:44 AM   #6152
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Great pick with Thorpe. Put up a 20/10 season when he was 25. Really a forgotten player. I love the pick. The health and longevity is astounding.


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Old 05-22-2008, 01:45 AM   #6153
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Aren't Battier and Marion both SF too?
Yeah I've said this twice
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:45 AM   #6154
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is sammy online now, if he is I will wait for his pick before I leave otherwise Im out in 3 minutes anyone ?
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:45 AM   #6155
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lol tdarko gettin' snarky
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:45 AM   #6156
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seriously in a half-court set the best offense I have seen from Battier is hitting a kick-out 3, for marion it's... probably hitting a kick-out 3 again, or maybe going into the lane for a runner but he isn't that good at it.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:46 AM   #6157
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Aren't Battier and Marion both SF too?
marion can play the undersized 4 or battier can play a big 2. so td can go 2 ways - get a big 4/5 and have a huge team, or get another wing and try to run run run
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:47 AM   #6158
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Marion is a PF.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:47 AM   #6159
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Do you think Battier sucked at Memphis? I'm confused. He's putting up almost identical numbers.

I still don't think they're going to have significant trouble scoring in the half-court, but even if they do this team will create a lot of turnovers and missed shots as it is.
First thing that jumps out at me is that he's taking roughly the same number of shots but nearly 2 more 3s a game. I wouldn't say he sucked on Memphis but I would say he's been better on the Rockets. I think he works better on a team where he gets to knock down the wide open jumper due to a superstar creating double teams.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:47 AM   #6160
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i think calling him an elite rebounder is a mistake, though. he never had a top 10 season with regard to rebound pct. also, he fouls a ****load. he committed the most (or 2nd/3rd) fouls in a season 4 times in his career, and per 36mins is just shy of 4. also, although he had 7 seasons of double digit defensive win shares, his per 36 mins for blocks and steals is repulsive: .8 and .5 respectively. (seriously, thats bad) it LOOKS as tho his defensive ratings benefitted from the teams he was on. (the 1990-95 rockets which featured "the dream")

all that said, he teams up with ben wallace well, is a nice guy to run a PNR with for iverson, and i think you got solid value at this spot.
This is nice work, but as you've said I think he'd work very well with a help guy like Wallace.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:48 AM   #6161
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fanmail...pic doesn't work for me.
really, it looks fine to me. anyone else not see it?
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:48 AM   #6162
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Marion is a PF.
So you're asking him to guard the most automatic 2 points in basketball Kevin McHale? OK.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:49 AM   #6163
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:50 AM   #6164
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:51 AM   #6165
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btw I think darko kind of backed himself into a corner with the Marion pick. If he would have taken Deke like he should he would've been better off.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:52 AM   #6166
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lol tdarko gettin' snarky
Hell yea. There are maaaaybe 2-3 picks a round that go at the time I am thinking they will go, nobody's board is going to be the same. Also, you guys have no idea what each poster is trying to do in later rounds etc. Some of you act like you have it all figured out and it makes me roll my eyes.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:52 AM   #6167
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is sammy online now, if he is I will wait for his pick before I leave otherwise Im out in 3 minutes anyone ?
hes not online. email 2 choices to someone that hits f5 all day.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:53 AM   #6168
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yea if you're going to for defense then you should start with the center position as that is the anchor of all defenses
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:54 AM   #6169
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Hell yea. There are maaaaybe 2-3 picks a round that go at the time I am thinking they will go, nobody's board is going to be the same. Also, you guys have no idea what each poster is trying to do in later rounds etc. Some of you act like you have it all figured out and it makes me roll my eyes.
Come on, that's the whole point of this draft. It would be boring if we only got to troll Epip about McHale and HSP about Marbury, everyone is going to get criticized at some point.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:55 AM   #6170
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:56 AM   #6171
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btw, i know no stat is "great," but a compilation of them all typically yields a fairly accurate view of a given player. in battier's case, his ORtg is great - fair enough. however, his PER is career 13.8, best year was 15.3 in memphis at age of 25. i know his intangibles are great (i'll never argue that) but he has a poor A:T ratio; his usage is REALLY low (14.2 career is "too" low); and for a SF his rebounding isn't great. (it's merely average) i have seen shane play alot, and would never argue about his defense, but his offense is basically:
Stand around at the corner 3pt, if ball is tossed to him, take an open 3 if there (3.2 a game @ 38.9%, fantastic) or kick it back out to whomever is running point. He is the exact opposite of "versatile" on the offensive end. His FTA for his career is 2.2 a game. Man, people need to sell me a ton harder that this is a good pick, because I'm not buying it. Sorry TD.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:57 AM   #6172
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RE: Battier

I think that having a guy who can defend at an elite level is pretty common, but the number of guys who can do this and hit from 3 land is dwindling down to a few. Of these choices, Battier may be the best fit. With regards to Ron Artest, he's a different breed since he can guard any position, so I don't think it's a fair comparison. Battier's 3 point shooting ability so much more than just being able to hit the occaisional shot. It makes doubling off him, or even sagging very punishable if you've got someone that can score down low.

As it stands, TDark doesn't have much in the way of down low scorers, but the draft is young and TDarko probably has his eyes on a sleeper stud.

I planned on taking him in about 40 picks if he was available, so even though it may have been a reach, Battier wouldn't have been there when it got back to Tdarko. Trading down could have worked, but at this point nobody really has a clue where someone is going to go.... Christ there are 3 guys who I'm shocked have not gone yet, and I'm beginning to think I could get one in the next 20 picks.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:57 AM   #6173
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tdarko,

oh quit playing the old wise man. It's not about me having it all figured out. I got two slow white dudes for cryin' out loud (who both happen to be awesome but whatever). I just think there is some real primo talent around right now that won't be around very long, whereas heady defender/shooter types will be around for a while, even if they aren't as good as Battier.

I do think the pick is not terrible like I said, as Battier is a very solid player and he'll never really hurt your team. Not close to worst pick of the draft. I just think you could have done better.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:59 AM   #6174
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of course I probably shouldn't run my mouth as I'm going to pull 2 or 3 major reaches because I'm more about having a team full of guys I like rather than competing in some gayballs pole where even though we're building franchises we have a bunch of assclowns voting on 3 or so years. Plus my team is going to have to get started on an intense breeding program to purify the earth.
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Old 05-22-2008, 02:00 AM   #6175
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The artest pick was very bad.
People have commented a little on his game but it does not matter at all. He's a complete lunatic. You cannot build a franchise around him and Rodman,that's just not possible. You're sure of only one thing; they're not going to both playing on your team two years from now
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