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Old 05-21-2008, 05:44 PM   #5801
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never saw Kiki play, my dad says that he could shoot and his defense was worse than peja's.

wikipedia says:
"As a player, Vandeweghe was regarded as a poor defensive player and rebounder, but an excellent scorer and outside shooter. His offensive repertoire was essentially limited to a single move, the jab step, but he was so proficient at this lone move that it was often referred to as the "Kiki Move" toward the end of his career."

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Old 05-21-2008, 05:45 PM   #5802
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Man 12 picks yesterday, pretty productive...
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:48 PM   #5803
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Man 12 picks yesterday, pretty productive...
Yah, and ac, serg, van exel, tbach, td, fanmail, etc. all post often, so if bigcat makes his, perhaps we can do another 12
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:51 PM   #5804
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the goal is to get to nicholas by friday morning.
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:55 PM   #5805
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This guy registered specifically for the draft..or registered a 2nd acct or whatever. CMonnnnnnnnn.
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:59 PM   #5806
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Kiki was a good pick - but you cant be serious when you compare him to Mullin or Cummings...everythiung Kiki did, Mullin did better...and everything Kiki did, Cummings did better plus more. I can see you trying to compare Kiki with Mullin maybe (becuase their styles were somewhat similar, but you know youre talking about one of NBAs Top 50 Players of All Time, right?) - and Cummings....he was a defensive beast, a rebouding monster and was so damn versatile on the offensive end its not even funny. Youre comparing apples and oranges my friend...rather grapes and watermelons.

Cummings had post moves galore...and to top it off could step outside for the Jay....slash or settle for a mid range. He was a mismatch waiting to happen.

kiki was a good value pick - but please...no vulgar language.
What planet are you on? Did you really just compare Cummings offensive ability to Kiki's and not only put them in the same league but claim him to be better?

Cummings has a career TS% of .520 and a career high of .557. Kiki's career TS% is .594 and he only had two seasons ever (one of which being his rookie year and the other being a 22 game injury plagued season late in his career) that were below Cummings average.

Cummings has a career EFG% of .485, Kiki's is .534.

Kiki had more offensive win shares in a 5 year span than Cummings had in his entire 18 year career.

Cummings career high ORtg is 113, Kiki's career average is 119 with 7 seasons over 120.

Kiki is an offensive beast.

Mullin is probably close offensively, and has a slight (although not as much as you'd make it out to be, since he wasn't much of a defender either) edge on defense.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:03 PM   #5807
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Your team now has 2 subpar (well, 1 below average and 1 terrible) defenders, will be interesting to see how you handle this.
We have 1 awesome defender, 1 average defender, and 1 terrible defender imo. But there are still 2 more starting spots to fill out and a bench. What I do have is a ridiculously efficient/prolific offensive team so far.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:04 PM   #5808
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Agree Cummings was not close to the others offensively. He was a pretty good defender though.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:13 PM   #5809
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Baron Davis...yet another PG better than Marbury.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:17 PM   #5810
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What do we think of Worthy/Bosh/Davis trio? Who will be the top scorer for that team, and is it big enough to defend the top players?
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:17 PM   #5811
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I'm sorta meh on Baron, just from a philosophical standpoint. Bad shooters who shoot a lot tilt me. Everything else about his game I love. Injuries a huge concern. When healthy he's probably the most physical force at PG in the league. He's built like a tank.

I sorta like the way this team is shaping out. Athletic as all ****.

He's also one of Paul Pierce's best friends.. so props for that.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:19 PM   #5812
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Baron Davis...yet another PG better than Marbury.
I agree - however he is much much more injury prone than Marbury.




Hey guys, I want to move up. Anybody w/ a pick soon + interest, PM me, I'll make u an offer.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:20 PM   #5813
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Kiki pick was pretty good value, but I have to say I don't like the way Matt's team is developing. Kiki's and Ray Allen's skillsets are too similar, imo. I think you need an unselfish PG who is a very good defender and passer/decision maker to maket this work, and I don't know if there will be any left by Rd 4.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:21 PM   #5814
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the goal is to get to nicholas by friday morning.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:22 PM   #5815
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To keep it moving, my pick is Mark Aguirre. Writeup will be up soon.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:23 PM   #5816
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in turn with the current run on scorers, Aguirre was straight buckets. his statistical peak was somewhat short, but that could be evidenced from his switch from Dallas to the much slower Pistons. His role was drastically different as well.

his defensive metrics are really, really bad though.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:24 PM   #5817
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I'm looking to trade up, will offer 2 4th rounders for one of these next few picks + a 7th rounder
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:26 PM   #5818
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damn i was hoping aguirre was gonna slip to me
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:26 PM   #5819
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To keep it moving, my pick is Mark Aguirre. Writeup will be up soon.
Nice pick. I've been wondering when he would go for quite some time.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:26 PM   #5820
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To keep it moving, my pick is Mark Aguirre. Writeup will be up soon.
OMG why would someone trade down with you??!!!!!!!
good job your team is sick
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:28 PM   #5821
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Aguirre is a sick pick.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:29 PM   #5822
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What was the trade?
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:32 PM   #5823
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Aguirre - about freaking time. He's been the best pure scorer on the board for a while now, I thought for sure he'd go in the second.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:32 PM   #5824
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Waaatt?

All this love for Aguirre, and all this hate for Kiki? There really isn't much difference between the two imo. Neither could defend for squat, they both were ball stoppers. Kiki's 3 range and relative offensive efficiency makes up for Aguirres perceived defensive ability.

I don't see much of a difference.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:33 PM   #5825
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didnt even know Aguirre was eligible.

looks like a fantastic value pick after a quick look at his metrics. 5 great years of 20+ PER and a tailoff (not injury related) that still gives you decent old age years.
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