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Old 05-21-2008, 03:26 AM   #5726
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doesn't matter not eligible (I mean c'mon we're all pretty smart no way he'd drop this low if he were), but in general avoid doing that in the future in case it is an available dude
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:27 AM   #5727
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:31 AM   #5728
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Oh yeah I overlooked Hardaway and Howard which is a pretty sick combo.

No offense to Richmond, Mullin, or Zo, but Howard will probably dwarf those guys in terms of impacting ball games on offense.

I agree with Peja as a wack pick though. He has contributed to some pretty deep playoff runs in his career and is an elite shooter, but he's a defensive liability against the players he will be competing with in this league, and he wouldn't be able to get off his own shot.

Sorry about mentioning Coop. When I started hearing guys like Peja, Hill, etc. I was like WTF? I should have deduced that though.

I thought someone squashed the mentioning picks thing, but I'll shut up about that. It just sucks I have to lurk - this thread is cool.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:32 AM   #5729
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TOP 5 FAV PICKS

1.Terry Cummings (#70 pick SHARK DOCTOR)...most underrated player hands down
2.Scottie Pippen (#25 pick bttschr)....shouldve gone higher (self explanatory)
3.Larry Nance (#53 pick Clarknizzle)....monster offensively and defensively
4.Chris Mullin (#67 pick Franchise 60)....50 greatest of all time goes 67th?
5.Glen Rice (#74 pick BigChips)....best shooter available by a long shot

LEAST 5 FAV PICKS

1.Andrew Bynum (#52pick NoPairParker)...how does 3 months of solid ball get him this high?
2.Stephon Marbury (#68pick HighStakesPro)...maybe a 4th rounder, maybe- but not 2nd
3.Peja Stojakovic (#62pick Fadi)...inconsistent and one dimensional...better shooters available
4.Mark Price (#59pick Victor)....how many good seasons did he have?
5.Andre Miller (#82pick GKA)....so many better PGs to pick from....soooo many
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:34 AM   #5730
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~8-9 very good an another couple solid.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:35 AM   #5731
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I'm excited about mmbtone's and Zoidberg's teams.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:36 AM   #5732
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I think a lot of people are still making comments like "Peja's lack of defense really hurts in this league." I know I was. But really, a lot of teams are gonna end up with some mediocre role players playing the wings. Especially when the mantra appears to be that defense > offense, every GM seems to want to grab some solid wing & post defenders.

Again, guys like Redd are already going. There are still good scorers out there, but past round 4ish, I'm just not seeing a ton of great scoring out there. Guys who could expose Peja somewhat? Sure. But it's not like Peja is going to end up on Jordan every night.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:39 AM   #5733
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fair point. The 40 teams is really deceiving as far as what you expect to be available. Still, I think the talent pool is plenty large and people will still be able to grab some well rounded dudes well into the 4/5 round.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:47 AM   #5734
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20 heads with 6-man rosters would be pretty sick for this type of thing I think.

Someone mentioned teaming Camby with Jordan as wasting potential but I disagree. That’s a great combo in terms of toughness, defense, and they're both big-game type players. I agree with Shaq/Eddie a little bit though as wasted potential.

I mean getting Shaq first round is so awesome and just like with Jordan, I would have to think long and hard about who to team those guys with. Granted, we never saw Eddie with Shaq in his prime, and Eddie is definitely underrated, but I’m sure you could have chosen someone more effective.

Who else were you considering besides Eddie? Is there a chance he would have slipped to third round?
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:53 AM   #5735
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The SF position is super-stacked on offense though. Off the top of my head Bird, LBJ, Marion, Pippen, maybe MJ or Kobe depending on picks, Mullin, Rice, plus lots of good undrafted O.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:54 AM   #5736
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Sweet someone's posting random commentary in the official draft thread
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:55 AM   #5737
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6.5

3 3rd teams (behind stockton and kj and magic so whatever) and a first team (over both those dudes.) strangely his best statistical season he didnt get any honors. in 89-90 he was 19.6/9.1.

47/40/90 career shooting.
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Old 05-21-2008, 04:39 AM   #5738
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Hey Kidcolin..firstly - you did an awesome job with your summary reports. (and nice link on HighstakesPro...it was LOL worthy for sure)

I was browsing through youtube and came upon this gem...and thought this might be a better link than the one you have (basketball-reference)...although yours prolly just makes more sense - I just love these clips with a passion.

Here are some examples:

Chris Webber << this one actually gave me goose bumps watching...I remember watching this live as a young teenaged kid

Scottie Pippen<<<really interesting

Micheal Jordan...MJ was too cool to even show up

Charles Barkley<<<gotta love this one

Chris Paul<<<funny story from Chris' brother

Allen Iverson

Kobe Bryant

Steve Nash

Patrick Ewing

John Stockton

HighStakesPro

Cry Baby

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Old 05-21-2008, 05:00 AM   #5739
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lol, I didn't even notice the links in the recap. Great work.
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:20 AM   #5740
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"Has a great feel for the game"
"Gets everybody involved"
"Can shoot the three"
"Excellent defender"
"Can make the pass in traffic"
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:23 AM   #5741
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:54 AM   #5742
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:17 AM   #5743
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Kiki!!!...your Team is starting to come together...I like it. Nice pick.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:28 AM   #5744
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Good pick, but LOL at "fluke back injury"
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:30 AM   #5745
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i vaguely remember kiki, didn't realize he was such a baller. he put up lots of points and his shooting % looks tremendous with solid PER.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:31 AM   #5746
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You can lol at it all you want. He was completely healthy for 6 years with no sign of any back problems, took a bad fall in one game hurting his back and then played through it making it worse. If that isn't considered fluke then we might as well just assume every player who got injured is going to get injured in the exact same way at the exact same point in their career.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:25 AM   #5747
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Anyone who wants to trade up, PM me. Im picking after Big Cat whos on the clock now.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:58 AM   #5748
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You can lol at it all you want. He was completely healthy for 6 years with no sign of any back problems, took a bad fall in one game hurting his back and then played through it making it worse. If that isn't considered fluke then we might as well just assume every player who got injured is going to get injured in the exact same way at the exact same point in their career.
It seems to be common theme for injury prone players /guys who got there career shortened because of injury (exact same argumentation with Mchale, Grant Hill). .
He had one big injury and could never fully recover. Why should we consider that a fluke injury? Almost everybody gets injured, and some recover, other don’t. What about the players who did play through an injury and did recover? What about the player who underwent surgery and did recover? Shouldn’t they have higher value?
Again, I’m not bashing the pick as I think it’s a good pick despite the injury, but I’m getting the feeling that no players in the history of the league has ever been injury prone, and that Stockton and Malone were just incredibly lucky to not retire at 26.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:09 AM   #5749
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It seems to be common theme for injury prone players /guys who got there career shortened because of injury (exact same argumentation with Mchale, Grant Hill). .
He had one big injury and could never fully recover. Why should we consider that a fluke injury? Almost everybody gets injured, and some recover, other don’t. What about the players who did play through an injury and did recover? What about the player who underwent surgery and did recover? Shouldn’t they have higher value?
Again, I’m not bashing the pick as I think it’s a good pick despite the injury, but I’m getting the feeling that no players in the history of the league has ever been injury prone, and that Stockton and Malone were just incredibly lucky to not retire at 26.
The argument is that there is a difference between a guy like Vandeweghe and guys like Moncrief/Penny/Hill etc that were predisposed to their injuries. Obviously a guy like Stockton who has proven he can play a long career injury free gets a boost for that over someone like Kiki who didn't. But I also think Kiki's injury should hurt him less than a guy whose injury was predisposed.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:17 AM   #5750
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if you think that guys that did not get injured have extra value over KIKI, then I agree
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