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Old 05-21-2008, 12:58 AM   #5651
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Another + about Camby is that he steals a relatively high number of balls for his position, and takes charges more than most. Offensively he's bad, but he is one of the best passing big men.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:59 AM   #5652
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Camby is ****ing terrible offensively. A 50 ts% is a travesty and he should never be allowed to take a shot ever again.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:59 AM   #5653
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epi everyone loved the mchale pick, hes just not jesus in a basketball uniform, let it die
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:59 AM   #5654
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mCdYESS.........another injury guy this time more serious and younger. i thought he was great when he was young a super freak. but like a lot of the young players including Howard, Jefferson, Bynum could become if they have a rediculous injury. 20-22 per in his prime and an above average defender. even as a shell of himself he's a solid defender and contributor, not sure if i would have taken him but then again the injury thing is weird in this league.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:59 AM   #5655
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kc, can't tell if you're kidding or not, but what do you mean by "racially pure"? Serbs are white.
But they're so swarthy.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:59 AM   #5656
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I was more referring to young players with tremendous upside or gambles who could be MVP/All-nba players or atleast look like they can become. Jones is definitely going to be a solid contributor on your team but he'll never be an MVP candidate especially in this league. Arguably there are probally still some multi-all-nba level talents in the league who are really young, but they are a huge gamble. So Eddie Jones to me is great value but a risk taker might take a player (hard to really judge) that could be outstanding for a long time or could suck every year after this one. Of course I won't name names but obviously they are under 25 guys.
Why do I need another MVP candidate? I have Shaq. I needed incredible wing defense, a solid #2 option, and a guy who didn't need the ball in his hands. Eddie Jones hit those things, and him them hard.

Also, Eddie wasn't an all star once... He made the team 3 times. He has played on some very good teams (for those video gamers out there, I loved NBA2k and 2k1 for the dreamcast - the Heat were STACKED!)
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:00 AM   #5657
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pairings are overrated.

im taking mcdyess, but am leaving to go play basketball, so no writeup

i plan on noting that his injury was a sudden occurance (in which he dislocated his kneecap, sprained his MCL and partially tore his patella).
This was one of the players I was going to mention in the never made best players before they got injured thread. Dude was absolutely SICK before he got injured. He had Amare-like explosiveness (before he got hurt too) and a good jump shot... dude was going to be a superstar. Alas, his knee f'd up
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:00 AM   #5658
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pairings are overrated.

im taking mcdyess, but am leaving to go play basketball, so no writeup

i plan on noting that his injury was a sudden occurance (in which he dislocated his kneecap, sprained his MCL and partially tore his patella).
the diceman defies injury - was talking to a friend of mine at the celts game about dice, the past 4 years he's played something like 78, 82, 82, and 75 games or something redic great.

edit: by "defies injury" I mean after whatl ooked to be a career ending knee stuff obv
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:00 AM   #5659
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epi everyone loved the mchale pick, hes just not jesus in a basketball uniform, let it die
Never said he was, but like I said he was the 10th best player imo in this draft format.

I don't see how that makes him jesus, obv if I said he was the best (or even top 5) u'd have a point.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:01 AM   #5660
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I would have taken Camby with Magic.
Camby was in my final three when I was picking. His injuries were the key factor in not taking him.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:01 AM   #5661
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Can someone tally up the number of posts epipen11 has in this thread....and tell us how many of those are regarding the same redundant crap where he is just defending his McHale pick....
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:01 AM   #5662
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Camby is ****ing terrible offensively. A 50 ts% is a travesty and he should never be allowed to take a shot ever again.
its a low percentage but he's averaged double figures in all but 4 of his seasons plus he's a nasty defender and rebounder.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:02 AM   #5663
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is it my pick?
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:02 AM   #5664
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alex sees the liight.

sorta meh on McDyess but yeah if you pitch that it was a freak injury (which it sorta was, but I tend to hate on guys who take forever to recover) he was a true beast.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:02 AM   #5665
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I thought a lot about Camby at 69 to form a sick interior pairing with Malone. Like others, the fact that Camby is Mr. Glass scared me off as did the fact that his age 24 season was pretty poor, but I like the pairing with Jordan.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:03 AM   #5666
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Camby is ****ing terrible offensively. A 50 ts% is a travesty and he should never be allowed to take a shot ever again.
It aggravates me that both his PER and WOW are so high, because if you watch a nuggets game, the obvious conclusions are:
1. They play bad defense
2. Camby is a blackhole on offense

which leads casual observers to say "why is this camby-dude in the game?"
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:04 AM   #5667
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is it my pick?
yup KLJ took mcdyess
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:04 AM   #5668
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its a low percentage but he's averaged double figures in all but 4 of his seasons plus he's a nasty defender and rebounder.
But he takes like 10 shots a game. Most players would score 10 points given 10 shots/game (and 3 fta/game).

Obviously he's sick otherwise, but this stuff just tilts me.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:06 AM   #5669
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Camby is a lot better rebounding too. Defense and Rebounding much more important than passing/scoring (especially since Camby has a pretty good jumpshot anyway) when u have someone like Bird on your team.
umm.. no. Zeros on one end of the floor and a guy who does nothing to sway the other team's defense isn't a great fit for Bird.

I do agree with the player who said pairings are overrated.. it's only 2 players for crying out loud. Of course I could build a solid team out of Bird and Camby. But I'll take a well rounded, can produce on both ends of the floor AND stay on the floor over mr always sizing people up looking for the next block
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:07 AM   #5670
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It aggravates me that both his PER and WOW are so high, because if you watch a nuggets game, the obvious conclusions are:
1. They play bad defense
2. Camby is a blackhole on offense

which leads casual observers to say "why is this camby-dude in the game?"
Well I will defend this a bit.

In the first half of the season he was completely dominant. They were always top 5 or 6 in defensive efficiency. Camby seemed to wear down and disappear in the second half and playoffs, and so did their efficiency dropping to around 11th.

Antonio seems like a low risk pick, in the mold of Grant Hill.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:07 AM   #5671
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Marcus Camby???
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:07 AM   #5672
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It aggravates me that both his PER and WOW are so high, because if you watch a nuggets game, the obvious conclusions are:
1. They play bad defense
2. Camby is a blackhole on offense

which leads casual observers to say "why is this camby-dude in the game?"
camby isn't get many touches on my team and is not gonna be relied on for much offense, and its pretty tough to play d when melo and AI can't keep anyone if front of them. camby was a staple of the JVG Knicks who were ridiculous on d and he anchored them in the 99 NBA finals after Ewing went down.

Camby can't play D 1 on 5
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:09 AM   #5673
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umm.. no. Zeros on one end of the floor and a guy who does nothing to sway the other team's defense isn't a great fit for Bird.

I do agree with the player who said pairings are overrated.. it's only 2 players for crying out loud. Of course I could build a solid team out of Bird and Camby. But I'll take a well rounded, can produce on both ends of the floor AND stay on the floor over mr always sizing people up looking for the next block
This is obv -ev to say but whatever, but these zero's on offense stuff is overrated. You can always have 1 of them on the floor, provided the rest of ur players can hit a jump shot, and your offense will be fine. Just put Camby inside right outside the paint, and if his defender leaves him have him roll to the hoop throw it up for him/or lay it off to make a wide open dunk.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:13 AM   #5674
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alex sees the liight.

sorta meh on McDyess but yeah if you pitch that it was a freak injury (which it sorta was, but I tend to hate on guys who take forever to recover) he was a true beast.
hes been very reliable with the pistons. and very effective. so u get a few explosive years, and a few years as a super solid player with a great midrange jumper and some low post moves.

or u can hire assanis doctors and he becomes amare.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:13 AM   #5675
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kc, can't tell if you're kidding or not, but what do you mean by "racially pure"? Serbs are white.
Too much Ottoman influence even if they remain Christian. You gotta be careful about these things.
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