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Old 05-21-2008, 12:29 AM   #5601
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I obv won't, but I will give him a bunch of great shooters (which will be more depth wise than the Celtics had, altho obv the Celtics had a ton of depth).
Great shooters around a guy who can't pass. hmm... Good thing he at least had a good assist/turnover ratio.... oh wait.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:29 AM   #5602
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wow if this isn't violating the FAQ I don't know what is. (Note I haven't read the FAQ but there has to be some sort of violation lol).
I really wouldn't know if this against it or not... but I would mantain my post was much more productive in regards to keeping intelligent strategy posts in this thread than your last couple of dozen insisting that everyone is a ****** for not thinking McHale should have been the third or fourth pick here. I mean w/e, if its cool if you have a difference of opinion with ppl. You discuss, agree to disagree, and move on. Everyone else in not wrong because they share your point of view on KM. The topic has been covered as much as it can be, and yet you take every oppurtunity to bring it back up and start up the debate again, which really consists of you putting down people callin them names and explaining to everyone how right you are. It's just really old. There are many more interesting things to discuss at this point.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:31 AM   #5603
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Bobbo,

sick pick bro Eddie was definitely very high on my list of guys. Very underrated and truly awesome.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:32 AM   #5604
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This is completely false dude. Bird checked 3s, DJ (not eligible for draft) checked 1-2s, Parish(also not eligible) and Mchale split post guys. For the most part McHale was a help defender.

I'm seriously doubting that you've seen that team play 10 games now... seriously.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/archive/in...p/t-34839.html

About Bird being a PF... as drapg said, McHale played sixth man. He actually won the sixth-man award twice because they were taking him off the bench. They were playing Bird at PF because that was his natural position. I mean, like I said, he got 10 rebounds a game, and that was with Parish and McHale getting theirs' as well. He could play either forward, but to me his rebounding and footspeed make him a PF... he couldn't guard any decently fast SF. Actually, when they were playing a team with an all-star small-forward, like Dr. J, it was inevitably McHale who guarded him, while Bird got the easier assignment. That's why you have to seriously consider McHale... he had great defense, something that Bird never had. How many PF can guard Julius Erving? McHale did it.

http://hoopshype.com/articles/wilkins_narducci.htm

"Wilkins said he was guarded by Kevin McHale most of the game. On the defensive end, Wilkins had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bird, who had hit just 6 of 14 field goal attempts in the first three quarters."

etc.

For someone who claimed to have seen McHale play, u sure know very little about him.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:32 AM   #5605
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I obv won't, but I will give him a bunch of great shooters (which will be more depth wise than the Celtics had, altho obv the Celtics had a ton of depth).
But being the best player on your team limits the "easy" looks you get. If someone gets doubled on your team, it will be McHale, not the shooters, because he is the greatest threat. This was not the case on the Celtics, and Larry was a great passing forward who gave McHale lots of gimmies when he got doubled.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:32 AM   #5606
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Great pick in Eddie Jones. He wasn't the guy I was thinking about, but he is probably a better fit for Shaq. You are going to need 3pt shooters around him to keep guards from trying to strip his butter-fingers, and Eddie is one of the most reliable around. Good dribble penetration and excellent defense round out a very nice selection.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:33 AM   #5607
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my pick is set just finishing up the writeup
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:33 AM   #5608
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guys someone new has been picked we can drop McHale for the time being
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:33 AM   #5609
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WTFFFFFFFF Eddie Jones was the player I was talking about and wanted badly.

Amazing pick, he is better than a ton of SG/SF's taken before him in this format.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:34 AM   #5610
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I like Eddie, but question the idea that he's the BPA.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:34 AM   #5611
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my pick is set just finishing up the writeup
SWEET! Recap in about an hour. I have to workout
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:34 AM   #5612
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sorry guys, i'm going to play basketball, i'll be back in 3ish hours with a pick
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:34 AM   #5613
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I like Eddie, but question the idea that he's the BPA.
There's a few other options, but he works extremely well with Shaq.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:35 AM   #5614
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Really like the EJ/Shaq pair.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:35 AM   #5615
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I like Eddie, but question the idea that he's the BPA.
WHO IS BETTER THAT IS AVAILABLE? (im setting you up here to get banned, obv :P )
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:38 AM   #5616
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has anyone ever witnessed it? If I had to guess I watched somewhere between 150-200 NBA games this year and never saw it.
Yes. It happened once this season that I saw, and I watched a metric assload of games. I don't remember which game or even who was involved, but I had a good laugh when they called it. It wasn't even a guy posting up, it was a guard who had the ball on the wing and just sat there dribbling with his back to the defender.

Normally when the whistle blows and I didn't see an obvious infraction, I'll look at the paint and see if somebody's sleeping there, then I'll look at the shotclock and see if it's stuck, then I'll look for a coach standing up yelling at the refs. Even though I knew the rule, and its Chuckster origins, it caught me by complete surprise when they called it.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:38 AM   #5617
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WHO IS BETTER THAT IS AVAILABLE? (im setting you up here to get banned, obv :P )
Jose Reyes.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:39 AM   #5618
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WHO IS BETTER THAT IS AVAILABLE? (im setting you up here to get banned, obv :P )
hard to argue with someone who has had a long career, i doubt there is one but.......
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:41 AM   #5619
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Also:http://bbs.clutchfans.net/archive/in...p/t-34839.html

"06-05-2002, 12:35 PM
McHale got a majority of the mintes at PF, but you are right that BIrd did start some of the games at PF. THe Roberts guy played forward for awhile (SF), Maxwell played for awhile as the starter, as did McHale during Bill Walton's tenure.
I guess in most cases Bird was a SF when the 3 (Chief, McHale, BIrd) was int he game together but I can understand listing him as a PF.
MChale was the one guy who could totally frustrate CB4 in the old Sixer days. Long arms absolutely destroyed him."

CB4 = Barkley ldo

And this gem:

"Originally posted by Drexlerfan22
Yeah, but where's Malone's defense? Besides perhaps Bird, Malone is the worst defender of the six.



Malone was on the All-NBA Defensive 1st team three years in a row ('97, '98, '99). You might be thinking of Barkley, who was voted the Worst Defensive Player of All-Time in one poll."

LOL

And omg I'm not crazy:

"giddyup06-06-2002, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by hoopgod13
Ya honestly...there is no competition for this category.

Did you ever see Kevin McHale play? His low post game is just the kind of attack that the Rockets need.

I gave McHale a close nod over Malone, though."



"TheFreak06-06-2002, 03:31 PM
I don't understand all the votes for McHale. Bird made that guy. Imagine any of the other guys on the list on the same team as Bird, and then think about whether you want to vote for McHale or not.

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Drexlerfan2206-06-2002, 03:49 PM
With all due respect to Larry Bird, I don't think Bird made McHale. It's hard to make a guy when he showed most of his scoring isolated on the low post. On the defensive end, it was McHale making Bird look good, not the other way around. Sure, McHale benefitted from some wicked passes, but he's still one of the best PFs ever."
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:42 AM   #5620
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KC. you should keep your trend going and shoot for an all white guy team.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:42 AM   #5621
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Marcus Camby

With the selection of Camby my team becomes even more devasting on the defensive. Finding a pairing with MJ really isn’t that complicated so Camby is the pick. He has been a defensive force for almost as long as he has been in the league. Defense wins championships and with the addition of Camby my interior defense is solidified. With the lack of quality bigmen Camby is a fantastic value pick at the end of round 2. There are definatley injury concerns as he as not played 82 games once in his career, but his longevitiy and dominance on the defensive end over that time period cannot be overlooked. Camby had the top defensive rating in the 2000-2001 season and won DPOY 6 years later. Since the 2003-2004 season Camby has averaged no less than 2.6 blocks a game and 10 boards a game. With Jordan locking down the perimeter and Camby controlling the interior my team will be difficult to score against.

Accomplishments

1996-97 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)

2006-07 NBA Defensive Player of the Year

Career Defensive Rating- 97.7
Career Defensive Win Shares- 126.5
Win Shares Above Average- 51.5


Team So Far-

SG-Michael Jordan
PF/C- Marcus Camby
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:44 AM   #5622
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Bobbo and SB with some solid picks. Time to go look through and rank the best pairings so far....
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:45 AM   #5623
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I keep telling you people, Serbs, Montenegrins (I think he's a Serb but I saw a highlight where the Kings announcer said "from Montenegro") are not racially pure.

If I get enough definite white guys I can probably swing it, but these players from lower Eastern Europe could prove troublesome.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:45 AM   #5624
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Ok you win Epi. It's clear that a bunch of posters on cf know more than the guys here. I guess there's the one game in the ECF where Bird was shooting lights out is the difference-maker... And Bird usually checked Nique, look it up (factual not fanboy crap).

But I'm willing to concede that you are right if you could just stop talking about Mchale.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:45 AM   #5625
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I was looking at Camby, but all those crooked numbers in the G column scared me off. Good value here though, especially with MJ.
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