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Old 05-20-2008, 07:57 PM   #5376
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lols u are the guy who wouldn't trade down 15 spots with Clark because u claimed "trading was too complicated."

And to make it even more funny, u took Bynum, who u could have easily gotten if u had traded down (heck u coulda waited til the 3rd round) and picked up some extra value in picks.

Ya, I know thats why I wanna trade up now to make get a piece I really need. Im pretty sure he will still be available at my pick, but I dont wanna take any chances.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:58 PM   #5377
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Ya, I know thats why I wanna trade up now to make get a piece I really need. Im pretty sure he will still be available at my pick, but I dont wanna take any chances.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:58 PM   #5378
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I like the direction of the LBJ/Grant combo. Solid pick iyam.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:59 PM   #5379
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pretty dumb but whatever. for all those who say redd cant drive.

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Old 05-20-2008, 07:59 PM   #5380
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I don't hate the Penny pick, but I do find it interesting that Assani was meh on my selection of Robertson because of his "short six year peak" and then he selects a guy in Hardaway who had a much shorter peak.
I wasn't bashing Robertson really, just bringing up a negative. I fully understand that the extremely short peak is a big negative for Penny as well.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:00 PM   #5381
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and u assume that he a)wont get hurt and b) will continue to perform at such a level. it seems he declined a bit from his stellar 97 to 98. 24.6per to 21.4per.
I think you are missing the point. He doesn't have to assume that A and B happen 100% of the time. Even if they happen only 25% of the time, it's a justifable pick.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:01 PM   #5382
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Taking a role player in the 2nd round seems a little crazy to me.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:02 PM   #5383
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Taking a role player in the 2nd round seems ridiculously crazy to me.
fyp, yes I hate the Grant pick also ldo.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:03 PM   #5384
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Hardaway those 2 years was a great player, better than his stats show. I would rank him a lot higher because he had potential to get better if he didnt get hurt. The guy was amazing, there was nothing he couldnt do on the court.

If Chris paul was picked at 10, then the penny pick isnt bad at all.

Ill take a healthy penny in his prime over paul.

Were talking about a 6 5 pg who can play 3 positions, post up, shoot the jumpshot, rebound the ball. Wouldnt you like to be a coach and have a guy who can play 3 positions ?

I will again point out the level of overhyping of players like paul, nash, lebron. These guys have the ball all game long in their hands. Anyone can put up great numbers if they have the ball all game long.

Ill prove a point, remember the series against phoenix when lakers kept feeding kwame brown the ball and he was dominating in the post, I think he averaged 15 an 10 in that series, and the guy is the absolute worst big man in the game.

Penny put up those numbers for a great orlando team that he also had to feed to ball to shaq all game long, so he couldnt just dominate the ball. So unless youve seen him play dont underestimate his talent.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:04 PM   #5385
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Hey its not that bad a pick. Great offensive threat, zero D. You're kinda pigeonholed into picking up some defensive specialists later but thats fine I guess. You've got the main bulk of your offense sorted as long as you dont go two zeros in the paint on offense later.

Edit: Anyone got an up to date version of the spreadsheet from before (or any version), I might be trading my early 3rd pick.
**** that...go for the most fun team of all time and go all offense man.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:05 PM   #5386
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I think you are missing the point. He doesn't have to assume that A and B happen 100% of the time. Even if they happen only 25% of the time, it's a justifable pick.
sigh. its almost better to pick a guy that got hurt at this point.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:05 PM   #5387
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bobbo's ban just ended i think, too optimistic to hope that he's ready already?
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:06 PM   #5388
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I like the Ho Grant pick. One of the best post defenders left and with Lebron not getting a star isn't such a big deal.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:06 PM   #5389
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I think with all the criticism of guys like Bynum or Penny being too risky, Horace Grant could be the most conservative (to a fault?) pick.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:07 PM   #5390
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ew for the horace grant pick, you coulda traded down with me and got him in my place.

His offensive game was ok, defense was good. Overall very athletic and can guard sf pf and some centers, but way to early for him.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:07 PM   #5391
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Horace was the other guy I strongly considered. Nice pick.

with regards to Vlade (or anyone for that matter)
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but he brings nothing real special to the table.
I'm not looking for "special", I'm looking for productivity. I'm looking to win ball games. Michael Redd is the epitome of a "special" shooter/scorer, yet is totally lacking in all other areas of his game. NOT just defense. He's a below average rebounder for his size. He's a below average passer. He's woeful on D.

F specialization.

Assani,

Hardaway was GREAT one yaer.. definitely not "oh my god" incredible though. You could have definitely gotten similar players, some with peaks very close to Penny's, without the busted knee (which WILL happen, btw.. do some research about it. Dude was a freakish athlete who failed to work out, really).
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:08 PM   #5392
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I will again point out the level of overhyping of players like paul, nash, lebron. These guys have the ball all game long in their hands. Anyone can put up great numbers if they have the ball all game long.
i think u may have taken highstakespokers spot for dumbest. im not sure. i hope kc includes a tally in his writeup.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:09 PM   #5393
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I like the Ho Grant pick. One of the best post defenders left and with Lebron not getting a star isn't such a big deal.
I think a roleplayer was the way to go, not entirely sure Grant is the best player that can do same thing at that position but I doubt it's much dropoff from the other dudes to him. There are some studs around with major injury issues that could have taken with LeBron but eh... I think Grant pick looks better in a few rounds--you will have to justify it by not ****ing up later though. Would Grant fall to bottom of 3rd? Doubt it.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:09 PM   #5394
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sigh. its almost better to pick a guy that got hurt at this point.
Seriously. So gay balls. 25%? More like 85%. This league is pointless if it's all "well if he doesn't get hurt and he won't cuz I said so so grant hill is in the top 10 all time players and Shawn Kemp is in the HoF"
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:09 PM   #5395
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Horace was sick y'all.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:10 PM   #5396
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You are now the third person to say this without backing it up whatsoever. Holy ****ing ****, if you guys are going to present a viewpoint then back it up with something!!!!

And as mentioned...Grant Hill came into the league with a scouting report of "injury prone." Grant Hill only once played a full season and that was in the strike shortened season. That leads me to believe that Grant Hill was extremely injury prone and would probably get injured again.

Penny, to the best of my knowledge, was never labeled as injury prone coming into the league. Penny played 3 complete seasons in his first 6 years without missing a game. Penny rushed back from an injury and further complicated it. These are things that lead me to believe that perhaps Penny wasn't injury prone but just had a bad luck situation.

Are we ever going to have an answer to this debate? Of course not. But I believe that I at least provide some solid reasoning for my side.
Seriously Assani, read the posts before you start getting all uppity. I explained this mother****ing post twice already.

CLIFFNOTES FOR ASSANI: Claiming he would be a top 20 player is overrating him, alright?
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:10 PM   #5397
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Assani is right, you guys are wrong (no i'm not joking).

Regardless I'm still going to go against him because he's trying to do the same thing I was with McHale (not basing it just on how his career played out, but basing it on if we clone the player at 24 which is what I did with McHale and what he is doing with Penny) and he wouldn't accept that view so I won't accept his.

Penny got hurt in real life, he will get hurt in this league too.
If this is what you meant all along by "helped by this format" then I'll agree with you that there is A CHANCE that players like McHale/Penny will be helped by this format. However, I'm not going to say that either of them definitively wouldn't have had a similar career ark, as we simply don't know.

I will admit that I misunderstood what you meant by "helped by this format" though.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:10 PM   #5398
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ew for the horace grant pick, you coulda traded down with me and got him in my place.

His offensive game was ok, defense was good. Overall very athletic and can guard sf pf and some centers, but way to early for him.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:12 PM   #5399
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wtf? No. Bynum was not a top 20 player ever. He has never even performed like a top 50 player. He has just showed glimpses of potential.

Hardaway put up seasons that only a handful of players have put up better than in this draft...and those players were all taken in the first round.
Neither was Penny.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:12 PM   #5400
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ew for the horace grant pick, you coulda traded down with me and got him in my place.

His offensive game was ok, defense was good. Overall very athletic and can guard sf pf and some centers, but way to early for him.
I'll say that his defense was great. I agree that on talent alone, it's too early but I cannot wait forty picks to picks a big man and I feel that he's a better fit than the other guys available, mostly because i did not want to take an injured type guy and value durability.
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