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Old 05-20-2008, 07:18 PM   #5351
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Re: Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion

My Vlade analysis obv. excellent i guess
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:19 PM   #5352
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I stand by my comment and agree with capone. I think there are better players to be had that can give you what Redd does and a little more.

I don't hate the pick,actually I think it is pretty good. Redd is a nice player and is very efficient.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:20 PM   #5353
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umm, no. they made larry hughes the 2. but ya, they gave dmarshall a gang of cash. and amon ones too. and esnow.

paxson really fcked the cavs over. my personal favorite move was to trade a number1 pick for yuri welsh done the stretch of lebrons second year while trying to make the playoffs. welsh proceeded to shoot .235. so the cavs traded him for a second round pick
Yeah you're right, they still gave Donyell Marshall tons and hyped him when he was signed (how bad does it make Larry Hughes that I couldnt even remember him despite his notoriously awful signing). Lebron having to take on the entire NBA and his own front office is a bit unfair.

Edit: Bedtime for this Euro, lets have some people not decimate my wanted list any further by the time I wake up.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:20 PM   #5354
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penny pick is so bad. im surprised assani would go there. he had 2 good years. thats it. 2. 2. 2.2 .2. 22.2.2 .2 .2 2.2.2 .2.2.2 wtf
Last edited by Victor : Today at 01:16 PM. Reason: and he wasnt even that great those years.


This is seriously starting to tilt me. WTF are you guys talking about!!!???!!!! How was he not great those years?

And I explained in my analysis quite a few reasons why he is less injury prone than those drafted ahead of him.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:21 PM   #5355
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Can someone either tell me or point me towards an explanation of the format for this? I dont understand what you guys are doing, but it is still interesting. I am just wondering why some of the picks appear to be so god awful.
Find the sign up threat that I started. Full rules are in that.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:22 PM   #5356
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Yeah you're right, they still gave Donyell Marshall tons and hyped him when he was signed (how bad does it make Larry Hughes that I couldnt even remember him despite his notoriously awful signing). Lebron having to take on the entire NBA and his own front office is a bit unfair.
Um, stop naming players although I expect neither to go any time soon.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:23 PM   #5357
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Vlade is a good pairing with Bird, but then who isn't? I think a little early value wise for Vlade, but by the least of these picks. He has more offense than a lot of the other durable bigs who can play D/rebound somewhat, so I like that, but he brings nothing real special to the table. Pairing Bird here with another open court player I think could have been cool.
agreed 100%. This is pretty much what I was trying to say earlier, but you probably said it better.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:23 PM   #5358
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If you're looking for a scorer Redd is def one of the BPA. He's incredibly consistent as a shooter but the reason I passed on him v. Richmond was lack of versatility especially as a driver/scorer.
wow, u must not watch mush redd. he is an exceptional slasher. remember, he couldnt shoot in college, he was drafted as a driver and everyone criticized the bucks bc he couldnt shoot. then he worked his ass off and became one of the best.

he may not drive on mitchs level but he is certainly not one dimensional.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:24 PM   #5359
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umm, no. they made larry hughes the 2. but ya, they gave dmarshall a gang of cash. and amon ones too. and esnow.

paxson really fcked the cavs over. my personal favorite move was to trade a number1 pick for yuri welsh done the stretch of lebrons second year while trying to make the playoffs. welsh proceeded to shoot .235. so the cavs traded him for a second round pick
That was my personal favorite too jiri was awful here, and we thank the Cavs for giving up a first round pick for us, which we used to get Rondo. Also obv appreciate you not beating us in game 7 too.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:27 PM   #5360
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I hate the Penny pick a lot.

Its also going to be annoying listening to the argument that he might not get hurt and that he is a top 20 player blah blah blah.

He makes Grant Hill look like Malone, and I think people are overrating how good he was before his career tanked.
You are now the third person to say this without backing it up whatsoever. Holy ****ing ****, if you guys are going to present a viewpoint then back it up with something!!!!

And as mentioned...Grant Hill came into the league with a scouting report of "injury prone." Grant Hill only once played a full season and that was in the strike shortened season. That leads me to believe that Grant Hill was extremely injury prone and would probably get injured again.

Penny, to the best of my knowledge, was never labeled as injury prone coming into the league. Penny played 3 complete seasons in his first 6 years without missing a game. Penny rushed back from an injury and further complicated it. These are things that lead me to believe that perhaps Penny wasn't injury prone but just had a bad luck situation.

Are we ever going to have an answer to this debate? Of course not. But I believe that I at least provide some solid reasoning for my side.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:30 PM   #5361
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dude is labeled injury prone. plays 5 years lights out. plays very well periodically over the next many years

dude is not labeled injury prone. plays 2 years lights out. completely falls off and never returns to form.

whos better?
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:31 PM   #5362
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Redd is mostly a spot up shooter - you can grab really good spot up shooters later in the draft
no. redd is a slasher. and he shoots far better than the spot up shooters left.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:32 PM   #5363
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Excellent points btw SHARK and I agree b/c I remember the whole reverse snake rule--thought at first the Magic/Redd team was going right back on the clock. Since it'll be a while, to say the least, I'll agree Redd isn't quite as good as it looked at first. I think your post is about to be deleted tho lol.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:32 PM   #5364
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Assani is right, you guys are wrong (no i'm not joking).

Regardless I'm still going to go against him because he's trying to do the same thing I was with McHale (not basing it just on how his career played out, but basing it on if we clone the player at 24 which is what I did with McHale and what he is doing with Penny) and he wouldn't accept that view so I won't accept his.

Penny got hurt in real life, he will get hurt in this league too.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:36 PM   #5365
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Penny got hurt in real life, he will get hurt in this league too.
maybe?
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:40 PM   #5366
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Trivia question: Who got third in MVP voting in 03-04? The answer will be in my next post, so don't scroll down if you want to guess first. Here I'll give you the results, but leave #3 off the list:


1. KG
2. Duncan
3. ????
4. Peja(so weird seeing him so high, but he was sick this year)
5. Kobe
6. Shaq
7. Ben Wallace(another strange name to see so high)
8. Kidd
9. Lebron(rookie year!!!)

I'll stop there because theres a few undrafted players if I were to list everyone that got at least one voting point.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:42 PM   #5367
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Trivia question: Who got third in MVP voting in 03-04? The answer will be in my next post, so don't scroll down if you want to guess first. Here I'll give you the results, but leave #3 off the list:


1. KG
2. Duncan
3. ????
4. Peja(so weird seeing him so high, but he was sick this year)
5. Kobe
6. Shaq
7. Ben Wallace(another strange name to see so high)
8. Kidd
9. Lebron(rookie year!!!)

I'll stop there because theres a few undrafted players if I were to list everyone that got at least one voting point.
Kevin McHale?
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:42 PM   #5368
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Jermaine O Neal. And he put up the worst TS% of his career this year: 48.9%, which is horrible for a big man. I guess 20.1 points(on very inefficient scoring), 10.0 rebounds, and stellar defense was enough to be top 3 that year, I dunno.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:42 PM   #5369
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I want to move up in the draft right now, anyone who is within 5 picks of picking right now offer me some trades.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:46 PM   #5370
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I used to have a massive basketball card collection when I was young and my favorite player who I must had like 50+ cards of haha is still available. I don't remember why I liked him so much either. Well, I do, but I stopped watching or following bball for a while and always wondered what happened to him.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:46 PM   #5371
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I think there are a ton of dudes who fill that role without the health risks though.
Theres nobody available now that comes close to "filling that role." Again, I'm shocked at how you all are underrating Penny's dominance when he came into the league(and without providing any actual argument, but just stating your opinions as facts).
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:46 PM   #5372
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I want to move up in the draft right now, anyone who is within 5 picks of picking right now offer me some trades.
lols u are the guy who wouldn't trade down 15 spots with Clark because u claimed "trading was too complicated."

And to make it even more funny, u took Bynum, who u could have easily gotten if u had traded down (heck u coulda waited til the 3rd round) and picked up some extra value in picks.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:47 PM   #5373
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I am also looking to move up now. I pick in about 18 - PM me and I'll make you an offer.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:49 PM   #5374
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using assanis argument, bynum is a great pick too.
wtf? No. Bynum was not a top 20 player ever. He has never even performed like a top 50 player. He has just showed glimpses of potential.

Hardaway put up seasons that only a handful of players have put up better than in this draft...and those players were all taken in the first round.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:56 PM   #5375
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Hardaway put up seasons that only a handful of players have put up better than in this draft.
and u assume that he a)wont get hurt and b) will continue to perform at such a level. it seems he declined a bit from his stellar 97 to 98. 24.6per to 21.4per.
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