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Old 05-20-2008, 04:48 PM   #5276
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Yeah I'm warming up to Vlade. I think initially I disliked the pick because I thought Vlade would drop a little further down but I did think someone was going to get good value on him, so it's pretty good late 2nd.
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Old 05-20-2008, 04:50 PM   #5277
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lol Parish is a good amount better than Vlade.
Parish was the just the beneficiary of playing with the greatest player in NBA history, McHale.
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Old 05-20-2008, 04:51 PM   #5278
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lol Parish is a good amount better than Vlade.
well duh. Not arguing that. I'm saying he's a downgraded version, but still really effing good, just not HoF good.
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Old 05-20-2008, 04:52 PM   #5279
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Vlade is a good pairing with Bird, but then who isn't?
Penny Hardaway, Stephon Marbury
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Old 05-20-2008, 04:56 PM   #5280
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I hate the Penny pick a lot.

Its also going to be annoying listening to the argument that he might not get hurt and that he is a top 20 player blah blah blah.

He makes Grant Hill look like Malone, and I think people are overrating how good he was before his career tanked.
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Old 05-20-2008, 04:58 PM   #5281
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Someone PM me the best values left. I'm not in the draft. I just want to see what's out there without doing too much research ldo.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:02 PM   #5282
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So is this solely for the discussion or will this be run in some simulation? Sorry if these questions are obvious, but I didnt see it and this thread is huge. There are a lot of players that I have no idea how they arent picked yet, and also a lot that have been which I dont understand.
I had the same question earlier. Apparently a winner will be picked somehow but it is not yet decided how. There is I believe another thread somewhere where ideas are discussed, perhaps a panel of judges - knowledgeable BBall people who aren't participating. If you have any thoughts on how a sim could be done I'm sure people would be interested. For now though, the journey seems to be it's own reward.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:02 PM   #5283
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Parish was the just the beneficiary of playing with the greatest player in NBA history, McHale.
eh i'd say second best, i'd rank Jordan slightly above McHale. No one else though.

1. Jordan
1a. McHale
3. Who cares they are all much worse
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:02 PM   #5284
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I hate the Penny pick a lot.

I think people are overrating how good he was before his career tanked.
He was 10th and 3rd in the league MVP voting the two years before he first got injured.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:02 PM   #5285
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Someone PM me the best values left. I'm not in the draft. I just want to see what's out there without doing too much research ldo.
+1. My idea of value is fixated too much on today's players.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:03 PM   #5286
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well duh. Not arguing that. I'm saying he's a downgraded version, but still really effing good, just not HoF good.
ok but there are plenty of downgraded vesions of Parish who are still left (and some who are better than Vlade imo) only major flaw is they aren't white, can't obv give out the names until they get picked ldo.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:05 PM   #5287
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He was 10th and 3rd in the league MVP voting the two years before he first got injured.
getting 3rd and 10th in MVP voting for two seasons doesn't make you a top 20 player of the past 30 seasons.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:06 PM   #5288
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getting 3rd and 10th in MVP voting for two seasons doesn't make you a top 20 player of the past 30 seasons.
yes it does, ask assani
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:09 PM   #5289
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and some who are better than Vlade imo
iyo is wrong imo. And white has nothing to do with it. Serbs aren't racially pure!

Laimbeer was ideal obv but I had no shot at him.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:10 PM   #5290
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surprised Divac went that late. Thought he would be drafted earlier:/
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:26 PM   #5291
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getting 3rd and 10th in MVP voting for two seasons doesn't make you a top 20 player of the past 30 seasons.
MVP rank in 1995/96:

1. MJ
2. Robinson
3. Penny
4. Hakeem
5. Pippen
6. Payton
7. Malone
8. Kemp
9. Hill
10. Shaq
11. Stockton
12. Barkley


Look at the players he finished above - he was pretty good (or at least, very highly regarded).
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:27 PM   #5292
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MVP rank in 1995/96:

1. MJ
2. Robinson
3. Penny
4. Hakeem
5. Pippen
6. Payton
7. Malone
8. Kemp
9. Hill
10. Shaq
11. Stockton
12. Barkley


Look at the players he finished above - he was pretty good.
Nash also won the MVP 2 times in a row and finished ahead of Kobe, Lebron, Duncan etc.

Clearly Nash is better than all of them, so is Dirk who won it the year after Nash.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:28 PM   #5293
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meh... there's no denying Penny's 1-season campaign was awesome.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:30 PM   #5294
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lol at Shaq being ten...
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:30 PM   #5295
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Nash also won the MVP 2 times in a row and finished ahead of Kobe, Lebron, Duncan etc.

Clearly Nash is better than all of them, so is Dirk who won it the year after Nash.
No, but very good, and would be quite a value with the 75th pick.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:31 PM   #5296
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No, but very good, and would be quite a value with the 75th pick.
"getting 3rd and 10th in MVP voting for two seasons doesn't make you a top 20 player of the past 30 seasons."

Pretty sure this still stands.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:57 PM   #5297
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meh... there's no denying Penny's 1-season campaign was awesome.
Thats all it was though, one awesome season. Claiming he could be a top 20 player (and valued at that for this draft) because of one season is pretty ludicrous to me.

He had one other very good season, and some good seasons where he played <60 games. I think its a huge reach here, and hate the fact that people can make huge reaches on guys like Penny and hide behind the "he might not get hurt" thing. If Penny isn't a huge risk to have his career derailed than no one is.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:59 PM   #5298
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"getting 3rd and 10th in MVP voting for two seasons doesn't make you a top 20 player of the past 30 seasons."

Pretty sure this still stands.
Nobody ever said he IS a top 20 player for the last 30 seasons. IF he was never injured AND he maintained the level of performance of his first few years, he probably would have been regarded in that category. I was just responding to the "people overrate how good Penny was before the injury" statement - he was very good, and you of all people should agree that this format makes him a good value at #75.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:01 PM   #5299
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I think there are a ton of dudes who fill that role without the health risks though.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:03 PM   #5300
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Nobody ever said he IS a top 20 player for the last 30 seasons. IF he was never injured AND he maintained the level of performance of his first few years, he probably would have been regarded in that category. I was just responding to the "people overrate how good Penny was before the injury" statement - he was very good, and you of all people should agree that this format makes him a good value at #75.
Yes I realize that (same thing I have been arguing about McHale to a lesser extent), and I don't think Penny would be considered a top 20 player over the past 30 years.
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