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Old 05-20-2008, 01:46 PM   #5176
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I like Porter. Ages 24-29 were his peak, averaging like 17/8, so you dont miss out on any of his best years. Great shooter, deadly from 3. Solid D from what I remember too.
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:46 PM   #5177
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That Lambeer photo is AWESOME. Whose foot is that by their heads? He is in for a rough fall, whoever it is.

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That would be Rodman, the actual play is a 1:38.

Also, there is a line in my writeup that says Wages of Wins think's Laimbeer's better than McHale. I'm not sure I agree, but here's the link.

[edit] OMG I found the whole play with the melee that ensured. It's at 4:26.. Check out Bird chucking the ball at Laimbeer, that is so freaking awesome!

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Old 05-20-2008, 01:52 PM   #5178
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And wow what a pairing of AlJeff with Kobe. The thought of that completely slipped my mind.

I like the Porter pick as well, very versatile. And even in his decline the efficiency numbers were there.
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:53 PM   #5179
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OMG Seadood, quiet! You're going to wake up Epi and his raging wood for McHale.
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:59 PM   #5180
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Laimbeer is a good pick. He's very awesome. However, I'm a little worried that both he and KG are both fond of 17 foot jumpers. I'm sure it'll work out, though.
KFBC had me thinking about this. Ideally he'd be better for someone like Timmay or Shaq, but I think having a real shooter down low will hopefully encourage KG to try and get closer to the basket. In the end, I felt that the combo of a great passer with the ball and great "without the ball" big man was too much to pass up.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:09 PM   #5181
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That would be Rodman, the actual play is a 1:38.

Also, there is a line in my writeup that says Wages of Wins think's Laimbeer's better than McHale. I'm not sure I agree, but here's the link.
Funny how all the comments on the article are arguing exactly what I was about McHale's rebounding.

"Pacifist Viking // June 5, 2007 at 5:32 pm

If Bill Laimbeer had played on a front court with Larry Bird and Robert Parrish for the bulk of his career, would he still still statistically be a superior rebounder to McHale? I’ve always figured Bird, McHale, and Parrish were better rebounders than their numbers looked, since there are only so many rebounds to go around. "

"Jason // June 5, 2007 at 5:55 pm

I have to second that. If there’s really such a thing as diminished returns for rebounding, playing alongside two other guys who averaged more than 10 boards a game for the decade likely cost McHale a board or two a game. In Laimbeer’s top days, he was getting roughly twice as many as the next best rebounder on the team. "

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Old 05-20-2008, 02:10 PM   #5182
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Its posts like this that make me really wonder if you ever watch basketball at all. Boozer is one of the worst PF defenders in the league, Brand is one of the best. It's more than "Brand has more blocks"
You do realize that the entire point of my post was to compare Boozer to Brand OFFENSIVELY since you made the statement that Boozer needed a great playmaker to be successful but you loved the Brand pick.

In a later post, I go on to say that Boozer on his best day is an average low post defender.

And you totally misunderstood my statement. I said that the main difference between the two of the them was that Brand could block shots, not that blocking shots was the only difference(which you implied is what I said when you said "Its more than 'Brand has more blocks'.")
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:13 PM   #5183
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Love the Laimbeer pick. I was thinking about pairing him with Duncan, so obviously I like pairing him with KG. You can't watch this video and not like the pick imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGrQ38-pp0
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:14 PM   #5184
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im going to be on lifetilt if my next 2 guys go
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:17 PM   #5185
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it'd be sweet if BigChips made a decision while Assani is around so I can googgogogo
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:20 PM   #5186
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So you are basing ur argument on not seeing him play at all, which is the same thing I did with McHale (which you were bashing me for).

Irony much?
Sometimes I don't know if you're leveling me or not. Here were the two statements that I was "bashing" you for(I guess you include posting to be bashing):

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it's that you guys drastically underrate McHale because a) you never saw him play
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I base my arguments off what the experts say, not the 15 or so games I saw.

I wasn't "bashing" you for liking a player you havn't seen play. If you do research then its very possible to know a lot about a player you havn't seen play. I was"bashing" you for the contradictory nature of these two statements.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:20 PM   #5187
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Love the Laimbeer pick. I was thinking about pairing him with Duncan, so obviously I like pairing him with KG. You can't watch this video and not like the pick imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGrQ38-pp0
Hey Assani, I just edited this into a previous post. At 4:26, it shows the whole aftermath of the Bird-mugging, complete with Larry beaming Bill with the ball... then getting ejected. so awesome...
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:21 PM   #5188
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Maybe if you actually watched the games u would realize why that was.

KG never guards the best offensive threat out of the PF/C combo on the other team. That job goes to Kendrick Perkins. Almost no teams have 2 great lowpost players, hence KG always ends up having to guard a very easy matchup.

I never said KG wasn't a good 1v1 defender, just that he isn't as great as you or most other people think. KG also struggles vs pick and pop bigs like a Rasheed Wallace etc. Where KG is great on defense is as a help defender (ie helping on other peoples men).

And the scoring thing I said about him is true. He can't take over a game consistantly like the elite scorers, and he can't get himself easy buckets out of the post. Heck Paul Pierce is a better offensive player than KG is (and no i'm not basing that on game 7, anyone who has followed the Celtics closley will tell you this).

He is an elite rebounder (never said he wasn't). Buit everyone already knows that anyway (he's not over or underrated in terms of his rebounding).

KG is obv great, but he is overrated.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:23 PM   #5189
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I don't have much of an opinion on the Jefferson pick, but comparing any pick at this point to Bynum doesn't exactly say a whole hell of a lot about that pick.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:24 PM   #5190
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I don't think this was clear to ANYBODY, and it's sorta bs which will just lead to clever workarounds by bobbo.
If you guys don't want me to name players at all then I'll repsect those wishes. However, I've said things this way from the very beginning especially to Clark in round 1 when he was ignoring my wishes multiple times.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:25 PM   #5191
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Dislike the AlJef pick too.
I do only for the fact that hes a weak post defender and that hurts you a lot in winning basketball games(although everyone constantly underrates its impact).
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:26 PM   #5192
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Also Assani since u gave a bunch of sarcastic hearts, I am very interested in hearing who you think benefits more from this format than McHale does (that has already been drafted).

I can only think of possibly Grant Hill and that's it (but I don't really know much about his injury etc and it looks like a lot of people on here don't consider it a freak injury).
I don't think many people "benefit" from this system. I tried to make this system similar to real life and I think its accomplished that as much as possible(although as I said, looking back I wish I would've made the rule that you could get the player at any age you wished)
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:27 PM   #5193
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Also Assani since u gave a bunch of sarcastic hearts, I am very interested in hearing who you think benefits more from this format than McHale does (that has already been drafted).

I can only think of possibly Grant Hill and that's it (but I don't really know much about his injury etc and it looks like a lot of people on here don't consider it a freak injury).
Oh and they are not sarcastic hearts. I'm being honest when I say that I love having you, HSP, and a few others in this draft. I love the off the wall opinions.....they make things interesting.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:28 PM   #5194
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Wow lots has happened since I last checked in.

Love the Mullins pick, love the Cummings pick. I'm with everyone who doesnt have a clue how Boozer and Dirk are gonna work together. Starbury is puke inducing. If anyone needs anymore proof that the guy is bat**** insane and inducive to a losing team, read "The Last Shot" by Darcy Frey (book that just followed four high school players, one turned out to be Starbury, great book.

Hate the Oneil pick, guy has injury problems, attitude problems and isnt THAT good on either end of the floor. I love Al Jefferson but think he's a reach and a half in this spot.
Can you comment more on this. HSP claims that he only "became insane" at a later age and that if he "got to him" at age 24 that he could stop the insanity.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:30 PM   #5195
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Sometimes I don't know if you're leveling me or not. Here were the two statements that I was "bashing" you for(I guess you include posting to be bashing):






I wasn't "bashing" you for liking a player you havn't seen play. If you do research then its very possible to know a lot about a player you havn't seen play. I was"bashing" you for the contradictory nature of these two statements.
Obv I used stats/logic into my thinking as well. McHale's ridiculously high fg percentage at his peak (short lived peak due to injury), McHale's underrated rebounding by stats because he was playing with 2 other great rebounders, his drtg being very low because he was guarding a ton of wing players and always guarding the best offensive player etc.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:31 PM   #5196
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yea great response to my points about KG, I will take it as u agree to them, because if you didn't u would have actually responded like u have with almost all ur other posts.
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:32 PM   #5197
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I don't think many people "benefit" from this system. I tried to make this system similar to real life and I think its accomplished that as much as possible(although as I said, looking back I wish I would've made the rule that you could get the player at any age you wished)
I don't think many people "benefit" from this sytem either. But McHale is one of the guys who clearly does, and benefits the most in this system than anyone else who has been drafted already.

Do you agree with this? If not, who benefits more?
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:36 PM   #5198
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really like the Porter pick btw
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:37 PM   #5199
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If not, who benefits more?
I can think of three off the top of my head.

ok I haven't tried, I just wanted to have you rummaging up and down the draft to tilt you
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:37 PM   #5200
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it'd be sweet if BigChips made a decision while Assani is around so I can googgogogo
I have absolutely no clue who I want and am going to be thinking it over for a bit fwiw. Sorry, if Laimbeer had dropped he would've been my pick.
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