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Just got back from gym, gonna showever, but two quick comments:

1. Chris Mullin was the guy who I couldn't believe was still available.

2. LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL Marbury.

Pretty ironic coming from you, always nagging people to make cogent arguments and everything. Maybe you could try practicing what you preach.

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05-20-2008 , 01:10 AM

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How good/bad is Boozer's D. I know offensively/rebounding he is strong but I don't watch enough Utah games to really judge his D. I know he doesn't block shots but how bout 1 on 1, and help?

Boozer is average at defense at best. That team is going to get murdered inside.

Can Dirk keep up with elite SFs on defense? I really really doubt it, but neither Dirk nor Boozer can guard elite centers so I dunno what hes gonna do there.

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05-20-2008 , 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60

This is only 2/5ths of my lineup, reaching on a PnR big man just to fulfill that need would have been a horrible decision. Mullin will gel with any lineup.

Mullin is also a very good passer and rebounder for a 3, I really see no downside to the pick. Pairing two extremely efficient players together isn't a negative.

Stockton will also be better at penetrating with the guard friendly rules of todays game.

Now tell me why its not a good fit. Because Mullin isn't a PnR big man? Not buying it.

You've got two very high usage players who play completely different styles. Mullin was successful with Nellie's fast-paced game, then he went south as soon as Adleman became the coach. His team did very well with Bird, but he never quite enjoyed the success. Obviously it's not just the system, but that's the key proponent. Stockton was a half-court guy, good on the break, but a dominant half-court PG.

And finding a great PnR big man who can shoot lights out and have the ability to roll and finish is quite rare, you usually get one or the other.

I'm not saying it was a bad pick, it was a very good pick. I'm just not as high on it as some others.

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05-20-2008 , 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by HighStakesPro

Oh and you guys are really going to love my 3rd round pick if he falls to me.

man, i want to make jokes about it but i don't want to name players

actually, i just thought of someone you might actually take in round 3, and if you do i'm gonna be giggling all the way

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05-20-2008 , 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60

Good thing this draft isn't a dunk contest then huh?

Stockton is the 2nd best defensive pg taken so far, so please tell me how he isn't athletic enough to thrive in this.

Mullin will get me 25/5/5/2 at 50/90%'s. So no, I'm not buying it. I'll be able to get all the athletes I want in this draft, finding incredibly efficient guys that fit into multiple systems (and both were BPA at each slots!) is very hard to do.

I was trying to make fun of the stereotype that all white players are unathletic and slow, because in fact you have two white players that are definitely athletic enough to do very well in this league.

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05-20-2008 , 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141

Sorry, hard to keep up. I mean Marbury just got picked, not the right time to level lol.

I thought it might have been a level, but couldn't tell.

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05-20-2008 , 01:14 AM

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lol Vix.

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05-20-2008 , 01:16 AM

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robertson is an ok pick. he can fit in with any team. still, i think i want to pair malone with a pg.

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05-20-2008 , 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60

lol Vix.

That was quick. Also, it never happened.

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05-20-2008 , 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by vixticator

That was quick. Also, it never happened.

Yea I know, harmless imo regardless. Good trivia btw, we'll leave it at that.

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05-20-2008 , 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

robertson is an ok pick. he can fit in with any team. still, i think i want to pair malone with a pg.

One thing about Robertson was that he had a ton of off the court issues and was forced to retire early due to back problems.

Still, like Mullin he represents solid value right now. He was a defensive monster who didn't need to take a lot of shots.

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05-20-2008 , 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

Mullin was successful with Nellie's fast-paced game, then he went south as soon as Adleman became the coach.

Mullin was declining before Adelman took over. The last full year of Nellie he got hurt (and he was 30). Under Adelman he had a pretty efficient year, with a ts% of like .645.

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05-20-2008 , 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

Yes, Boozer is bad with Dirk. But Boozer this early is worse. No D, one dimensional and dependant on a great playmaker for lots of his value. I'm guessing its about 20-25 picks too soon.

I disagree that Boozer needs a great playmaker. Offensively I don't see any differences between him and Elton Brand who went much earlier and the pick was widely praised. Main difference overall is that Brand blocks shots.

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05-20-2008 , 01:29 AM

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Holy crap getting Jermaine O'Neal when he is 24 is so bad. You get two good seasons and then a bunch of injury-marred, attitude-filled mediocrity.

Marbury is just god-awful, especially after hyping up the pick forever.

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05-20-2008 , 01:30 AM

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I swear Shark just picked and deleted it.

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05-20-2008 , 01:31 AM

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Mullin has far too much value right now to be concerned with the pairing.
I wouldn't touch Marbury. The fact that he didn't want to play with KG scares me.
Boozer's probaly one of the worst defender I've ever seen, very bad combo with Dirk.

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05-20-2008 , 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

Sorry guys.

FM has picked Jermaine O'neal. I will post it with a pic right now.

I looked at O Neal because even though I hate his offense(51.1 TS% is just horrible for a big man), I love his defense coupled with Tim Duncan's. And I could have him take a lot less shot attempts with more stars around him. But then I saw his games played since he turned 24: 77, 78, 44, 51, 69, 42. Hes just not worth it imo.

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05-20-2008 , 01:32 AM

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I wonder if who Bobos wanted was picked while he is banned. He wanted to trade up pretty badly.

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05-20-2008 , 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NozeCandy

Marbury is just god-awful, especially after hyping up the pick forever.

Great analysis, even better than Assani's "LOLOLOLOL". What were you expecting, Jesus ****ing Shuttlesworth?

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05-20-2008 , 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack of Arcades

Mullin was declining before Adelman took over. The last full year of Nellie he got hurt (and he was 30). Under Adelman he had a pretty efficient year, with a ts% of like .645.

It can go both ways. His volume went down when their system changed, even when Chris was healthy. I don't think the two are unrelated.

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05-20-2008 , 01:33 AM

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Shark picked Terry Cummings

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05-20-2008 , 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by capone0

Jermaine was the player available with the most all-star appearances left. Injury issues really hurt him but he's an excellent help defender. Problem is if things start at 24, he's really only had 2 good seasons after that point. His TS% is really low for a PF but his rebound/block numbers are pretty damn good.

Thats because of the lack of quality big men in the Eastern Conference during the early part of this decade, not because JON is deserving of being a 6 time all star.