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Old 05-08-2008, 01:00 AM   #476
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dont want to reverse snake
Alright....

a few people have said they don't like it, and nobody that is in the draft has said they prefer it, so we're sticking with a normal snake draft.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:01 AM   #477
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Blah, Lurchy should have just given Assani his top two picks.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:01 AM   #478
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Kemp and Robinson never dropped off from a peak season. They may not have reached their expectations, but that's obviously different. I'll give you the other guys, but compare it to all the elite players during this time who had continued success after their first great season, and you can see that the chances that Paul does the same is very high.
Shawn Kemp's PER dropped 13 points in 2 seasons, while he was under 30 years old. You're right about the big dog though.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:02 AM   #479
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OMG, someone pick plz, addicted to this draft.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:02 AM   #480
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I think that when evaluating, someone like Paul should be viewed as risky not only from a long term performance standpoint but also from a risk standpoint. Giving him the same career credit as say Hakeem doesn't make sense to me.

I agree completely, but given what's at stake here (Nothing) and also considering the very low likelihood that the dude with the number 11 pick will win this thing, I think taking your favorite player is definitely the right play.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:03 AM   #481
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Penny Hardaway, Shawn Kemp, Grant Hill, Shareef, Glenn Robinson, and Shawn Kemp all beg to differ. There are lots of "next big things" that don't amount to squat for whatever reasons. Granted CP3 had a better year than those guys ever did, but there's no reason to think that a similar dropoff is impossible.

That's why new players will be overrated here.
And theres a ton of ex-players who had a great career, but if you put them in a new circumstance and re-did their careers then they would have had a few bright years and then fallen off the map.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:03 AM   #482
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hey guys (Tdarko) - we really shouldnt be discussing players who havnt been drafted yet...anyone else agree?...disagree?
disagree.

this is just supposed to be fun people need to stop getting butthurt
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:04 AM   #483
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Apparently people have ignored the "pm assani with pick list." I think this rule should be enforced religiously, because this thread will get very stale if we are waiting 24 hours for each pick.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:08 AM   #484
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Yeah, I don't see how we're supposed to analyze a pick without mentioning some of the players available. Wait, we should have a continuously lagging discussion of 5 picks beforehand! So what do you guys think of this Tim Duncan guy?
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:10 AM   #485
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Yeah, I don't see how we're supposed to analyze a pick without mentioning some of the players available. Wait, we should have a continuously lagging discussion of 5 picks beforehand! So what do you guys think of this Tim Duncan guy?
Hes a lot better than Malone.

Omgggggggg nooooooo
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:11 AM   #486
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How many point guards have ever had better seasons than the one Chris Paul just had?
yo yo yo this wasn't a rhetorical question it was a serious question.

and surely cp3 bangs hotter chicks than beyonce.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:12 AM   #487
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And theres a ton of ex-players who had a great career, but if you put them in a new circumstance and re-did their careers then they would have had a few bright years and then fallen off the map.
Yeah... That's kind of why I would elevate the value of guys who have been ridiculously good for more than one team, or have done it with a different cast. (IE- Shaq).
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:12 AM   #488
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someone PM lurchy and just tell him to either post it or PM Assani his pick...

better yet - assani - you think you can PM the next 3-4 people in line to just give you their picks in advance?
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BUT THAT'S CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:18 AM   #490
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yo yo yo this wasn't a rhetorical question it was a serious question.

and surely cp3 bangs hotter chicks than beyonce.
Halle for sho.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:19 AM   #491
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someone PM lurchy and just tell him to either post it or PM Assani his pick...

better yet - assani - you think you can PM the next 3-4 people in line to just give you their picks in advance?

Guys, guys, I'll take Lurchy's pick.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:20 AM   #492
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AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOP SECRET KARL MALONE
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:20 AM   #493
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I agree completely, but given what's at stake here (Nothing) and also considering the very low likelihood that the dude with the number 11 pick will win this thing, I think taking your favorite player is definitely the right play.
what?...hold on..Im the dude with the 11th pick....lol

flyingmoose - FWIW, Chris Paul is not one of my fav players...and if thats what you read into it - then youre reading a different language.

I felt like I justified my pick well - and it had nothing to do with being a homer or whatever...it was stats and facts mixed in with some calculated and educated future predictions, nothing but.

I could go back and pick Stockton or Malone to make you happy, but I thnk CP3 is more valuable then both of them...and to be honest - I dont see Malone (or Stockton) having the great careers they had if it werent for playing with each other. And unfortunaley - in this draft - theres a good chance they will not be on the same team (possibly diminishing the value of one (malone), if not both)
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:23 AM   #494
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:23 AM   #495
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So we are diminishing the value of Stockton/Malone because they played together, but CP3 gets super duper 100% value after 3 years?

Its just crazy to me that playing at a HOF level for 15 years is a negative, and being young and having 1 all time great season makes you more valuable.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:30 AM   #496
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AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOP SECRET KARL MALONE
NOBODY TAKE MALONE I NEED HIM TO ANCHOR MY PEDOPHELIA-THEMED TEAM.
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I wasnt tryin to diminsh Malone or Stockton...i was just tryin to make a point to flyingmoose that the whole point of this whole draft is to make a pick and have a sound argument backing it up. Thats all.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:35 AM   #498
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I think that taking him over Malone, Barkley or Stockton, three easily top 50 all time players and all top 5 all time at their position, all of whom had not only tremendous peaks, but extraordinary longevity, is a stretch.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:36 AM   #499
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chris dudley is a value pick w/ his awesome foul shooting i hope he lasts till my next pick
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:38 AM   #500
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Okay how about I just ask you guys who to pick, Malone or Howard, since we're discussing so much. I've narrowed it down to those two, if Lurchy picks someone else. I'm leaning toward Malone because he was such a domina t player in his prime, the second leading scorer of all time and the leading defensive rebounder, and I'm inclined to think he could have had similar success with as little as a fringe all-star caliber point guard. It's not like his forte was catch-and-shoot, he did the heavy lifting in the paint to get his points. He was also the best player in NBA history at getting away with cheap, demoralizing, brutally effective elbows at both ends of the floor.

The one concern I have about him is that I will need to build a certain type of team to maximize his strengths, players who excel in a half-court offense and strog passers who can find him inside. I feel like Dwight is a more versatile player in that he can excel in the half-court and a running offense because of his quickness and athleticism. Plus, he is only 22 and already the youngest player ever to lead the league in reboudning and average a double-double for an entire season. I'm not sure how relevant this is too our league, but he is currently hands down the best center in the East by a mile and will likely be dominating opposing teams for the next ten years. Truth be told I will be happy with either of these players, as they will both present different challenges as far as building the rest of my team.
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