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Old 05-19-2008, 09:46 PM   #4776
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Basically, I'll give my advice but I don't try to change people's opinions, and I think everyone should do the same. For example if someone says to me that they're thinking about taking Player X but I think thats a horrible pick, I won't say to them "thats horrible don't do that." Instead I'll point out the positives and negatives of the pick and let them decide themselves.
I'll ask for opinions on a player, maybe how the pairing works, etc. It's never "who should I draft."
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:48 PM   #4777
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I've already seen posts like this: "I told x to draft x."

I just think its BS, but whatever, as you said there is no way of stopping it. Unless of course we could grow some balls for all these ***** ass mofo's so that they could make their own picks on their own thoughts.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:55 PM   #4778
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I mentioned this briefly way upthread, but it didn't get much notice. Which actual NBA team would be the strongest under the rules of this draft?

2004 Lakers would be pretty sick, but I can't think of anyone who'd beat the 2003 Spurs.
Tough to argue with both of those. My first thought was the Wizards with MJ, but God the supporting cast there sucked. If the MJ/Webber years had overlapped then I think they'd definitely be in the discussion. Other interesting teams:

01-02 Blazers
97-98 Rockets
04-05 Celtics
07-08 Suns
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:57 PM   #4779
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u mean which nba team would be the best if u took their best players since 1980?
No, which team if all the players on the team that year were in their primes would be best.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:58 PM   #4780
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this year's celtics too. big 3 would be even bigger.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:05 PM   #4781
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adsflkjasdfl; i have two really good, but obscure ones but don't want to 'out' any of my players. they will have to wait
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:07 PM   #4782
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I had TH as the 10th best PG, and was surprised he slipped so far.
Moncrief (as well as TH, Nance, Kemp, and one guy that hasn't been taken yet) was on my short list of reasons why I traded down.
I really, really wanted Buck Williams with my 3rd rounder and was surprised he got picked. He's solid.
Moncrief is the best pick of the draft, but I think its somewhat wasted with Vince, who I don't hate but just don't see as a big time winner due to effort/defense/etc. There were so many quality picks that went after Vince in which you could've formed a sick defensive team with: Billups, Rodman, Dumars, etc. Or even going with Bosh or Deron there would've been a great pair with Sid. Of course Duncan/Sid would've been insane, which still has me on tilt.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:07 PM   #4783
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if dtemp picks we might get into the 3rd round
doubtful. I'll hold this train up probably
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:08 PM   #4784
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I've already seen posts like this: "I told x to draft x."
this is just kbfc overrating himself as usual
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:09 PM   #4785
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The standards for size, speed, athleticism and offensive quality will all be significantly higher in this league (because of the positive correlations between being "good" and being big/fast/strong/skilled). Thus defense is more important, and a lack thereof will be magnified.
Not sure I understand this. Yes we have 30 years worth of players, but we also have 40 teams. Moreover we don't have teams that are rebuilding(Bobcats) or teams that suck(Knicks) to make it more top heavy. Don't this factors cancel out?

This is like the third time I've posted this now, but nobody has really addressed it.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:11 PM   #4786
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assani,

The thing with defense in this league is that most teams are going to have a lot of offensive weapons, so having someone on your team who can't play D is more of a liability. However, I think this points to defensive zeros being more of a liability, rather than elite defenders being more valuable. Also a guy like Chauncy can only cover a PG, so while he is helpful, there's only so much an elite defensive PG can do if you have mismatches elsewhere.
Why will teams in this league have more offensive weapons than in real life? There are no teams in this league with two superstars like Kobe/Shaq or Stockton/Malone or MJ/Pippen, but that happens often in real life.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:11 PM   #4787
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this is just kbfc overrating himself as usual
Epipen actually. IIRC the guy didn't make the recommended pick though (+1 for him).
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:21 PM   #4788
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No, which team if all the players on the team that year were in their primes would be best.
THE answer is the Rockets of 98-99. Hakeem, Pippen, and Barkley.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:26 PM   #4789
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04 Lakers w/o a doubt

Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Payton
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:28 PM   #4790
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THE answer is the Rockets of 98-99. Hakeem, Pippen, and Barkley.
THE answer is the 04 Lakers. It isn't even really debatable.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:28 PM   #4791
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The Rockets had Drexler too, too bad it was before that season.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:29 PM   #4792
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that team had Pippen. I actually think that's quite debatable.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:29 PM   #4793
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The Rockets had Drexler, not Pippen.
They had Pippen the year after Drexler retired. Your wrong.

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Old 05-19-2008, 10:30 PM   #4794
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The Rockets had Drexler too, too bad it was before that season.
They had Pippen for 1 season.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:30 PM   #4795
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He was great for about 5 years. Then he kinda fell off the map.
Guys like Grant Hill and Larry Nance didn't offer any more prime years than Sid, and imo Sid's prime years were as good as all but maybe 10 or 15 players in the entire draft:

Age 24
19.8 points on 60.1 TS%
6.7 rebounds
4.8 assists
1.7 steals
0.3 blocks
All NBA 2nd Team
All Defensive 2nd Team
All Star
7th in MVP voting
4th in Offensive Rating
5th in win shares

Age 25
22.7 points on 60.2% TS%
5.8 rebounds
3.9 assists
1.5 steals
0.3 blocks
All NBA First Team
All Defensive First Team
Defensive Player of the Year
All Star
4th in MVP Voting
4th in win shares
3rd in Offensive Rating

Age 26
20.9 points on 59.1 TS%
6.7 rebounds
4.5 assists
1.4 steals
0.3 blocks
All NBA 2nd Team
All Defensive 1st Team
Defensive Player of the Year
All Star
8th in MVP voting
3rd in Win Shares
9th in Offensive Rating

Age 27
21.7 points on 56.5 TS%
5.4 rebounds
5.2 assists
1.6 steals
0.5 blocks
All NBA 2nd Team
All Defensive 1st Team
All Star
8th in MVP Voting
8th in Win Shares

Age 28
20.2 points on 60.4 TS%
4.6 rebounds
4.9 assists
1.4 steals
0.2 blocks
All NBA 2nd Team
All Defensive 1st Team
All Star
7th in MVP Voting
8th in Win Shares
2nd in Offensive Rating




Sidney Moncrief is the only non-center to ever win DPOY more than once.

Sidney Moncrief is 6th all time in Offensive Rating.

"When you play against Moncrief, you're in for a night of all-around basketball. He'll hound you everywhere you go, both ends of the court. You just expect it." -Michael Jordan

"His mental toughness is about as strong as anyone I've ever been around. And I've known a lot of players" -Don Nelson

"The NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award was seemingly created just for him" -Nba.com

"The best all around guard in basketball today." - Don Nelson


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Old 05-19-2008, 10:31 PM   #4796
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Yeah I realized that and ninja-edited but you got me.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:31 PM   #4797
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that team had Pippen. I actually think that's quite debatable.
04 lakers would still pwn them.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:31 PM   #4798
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THE answer is the 04 Lakers. It isn't even really debatable.
Eek...yeah you're right. That rockets team was fun to watch, too bad Barkley couldn't stay healthy
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:33 PM   #4799
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THE answer is the Rockets of 98-99. Hakeem, Pippen, and Barkley.
Shaq>Hakeem
Kobe>Pippen
Malone=Barkley


And then theres Gary Payton too.
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:33 PM   #4800
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Not sure why you quoted my post, maybe I had the only semi-negative comment. I think he was great for 5 years, like one of the best players in the league, thats a helluva peak. His production is cut in half immediately after, thats all. Yeah, its def good value in late 2nd round though.
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