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Old 05-19-2008, 08:34 PM   #4751
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also, just want to mentino again, **** KLJ for picking sid the squid. i wanted him so bad
And I just want to mention again that there was absolutely no way you'd ever get him as I pick before you and had more ammunition(sp?) than you. Hell if Nicholas had PMed me at a normal time and not 6:30AM, I would've traded up and got him(not upset at you Nicholas, just the situation).
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:35 PM   #4752
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And I just want to mention again that there was absolutely no way you'd ever get him as I pick before you and had more ammunition(sp?) than you. Hell if Nicholas had PMed me at a normal time and not 6:30AM, I would've traded up and got him(not upset at you Nicholas, just the situation).
And I was taking him as well...
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:37 PM   #4753
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I'm starving, so I need to go get lunch, but if I wasn't, the way I'd counter this is by looking at team assists/possession, and then looking at assists by players like Bowen and Finley (90% of which are going to be swinging the ball after a TP drive'n'kick).

The Spurs don't play an offensive system geared toward putting up big assist numbers at PG. How much you want to take that account is up to you, but I just listed some things I'd take a look at in considering it.

There was a great post by someone in my Sample Size thread that made the point that all of these stats we use only measure what was done, not necessarily the skill that went into doing it. Something to think about when discussing any player.
This is an interesting point, but in my admitedly very subjective opinion from watching TP, he does not have the passing/court vision skills of the elite 10+ apg assist men.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:40 PM   #4754
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Players that were picked too early AINEC: Ben Wallace, Peja Stojakovic, Jason Kidd, Amare Stoudamire.
agree with the first two. Only agree with Kidd because Payton was available. Strongly disagree on Amare- even though I'm a big defense fan, Amare just brings so much on offense. 25.2 points on 65.6 TS% is just insane.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:41 PM   #4755
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assani,

The thing with defense in this league is that most teams are going to have a lot of offensive weapons, so having someone on your team who can't play D is more of a liability. However, I think this points to defensive zeros being more of a liability, rather than elite defenders being more valuable. Also a guy like Chauncy can only cover a PG, so while he is helpful, there's only so much an elite defensive PG can do if you have mismatches elsewhere.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:42 PM   #4756
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I also liked TH b/c he proved he could work in 2 systems. Nellie's system and Pat Riley's slow ball and I readily admitted he was a chucker, so right now I can run 2 systems a slow down like PR or a fast one like Nellie which is great since I'm not sure who will be available next round. Right now I have 1 really efficient scorer in Howard and 1 inefficient one in TH who is a play maker and I wanted the best play maker available.

Also TH's TS% is 53%, and TP's is only 54% for his career so it's not like he's that much more efficient offensively like everyone is saying, his FG% is definitely higher but it's b/c he's a paint scorer and not a shooter.

And as I pointed out earlier when he was on the Heat with Mourning in the paint he played pretty damn good D and it's a ton easier to play D when you have a rediculous paint defender which I kinda have in Howard.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:46 PM   #4757
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but with tmac you can even use tmac at the point and tony parker in a Player X role. its kinda cool, i can see this working
Bobbo man....come on, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt since you're a regular around here. Next time you do this you're getting penalized 5 slots. If you do it after that you forfeit your pick for that round. Third time and you're getting replaced. Sorry its come to this, but you just havn't stopped.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:47 PM   #4758
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All,

how can you hate on this sexy beast?

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Old 05-19-2008, 08:49 PM   #4759
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how can you hate on this sexy beast?

Those jeans are so last season.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:53 PM   #4760
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Okay did my write up now I just gotta hope dtemp doesn't take him...
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:55 PM   #4761
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hsp, how good of a pick will this be? steal of the draft?
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:57 PM   #4762
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And I just want to mention again that there was absolutely no way you'd ever get him as I pick before you and had more ammunition(sp?) than you. Hell if Nicholas had PMed me at a normal time and not 6:30AM, I would've traded up and got him(not upset at you Nicholas, just the situation).
Heh, I was attempting to trade Nicholas (battschr and Zoidberg before him). I was really worried that either Victor would take him, or somebody would trade up ahead of me. I offered pretty heavy IIRC.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:00 PM   #4763
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hsp, how good of a pick will this be? steal of the draft?
Epic
Jaw-dropping
Morally unconscionable
Scurillous, pernicious, this pick is gonnamake Tony Parker cower in fear.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:01 PM   #4764
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re: team with all players in their prime -

Sheet, the 2008 suns line of 2000 Shaq/Amare/1997 Grant Hill/Nash/EDIT isnt too shabby. Sheet, they would even have EDIT off the bench!

But yea, you still cant top 2004 Lakers. Damn.

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Old 05-19-2008, 09:02 PM   #4765
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FYP
You missed one.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:10 PM   #4766
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whoops, yeah, I'll re-edit.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:14 PM   #4767
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Heh, I was attempting to trade Nicholas (battschr and Zoidberg before him). I was really worried that either Victor would take him, or somebody would trade up ahead of me. I offered pretty heavy IIRC.
ill be honest, i never heard of moncrief. wish i did, he looked sick.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:22 PM   #4768
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I REALLY hope dtemp picks tonight.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:29 PM   #4769
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I REALLY hope dtemp picks tonight.
Yeah, there's a good chance we can knock out a few picks quickly if that happens.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:32 PM   #4770
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if dtemp picks we might get into the 3rd round
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:32 PM   #4771
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Yea, 2 more will be done right after him if he gets it up soon since you have flying's pick and I'm in the hole.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:34 PM   #4772
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2p2 is blocked for me at work, which is teh suck....but I shouldn't cause any more delays.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:39 PM   #4773
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if dtemp picks we might get into the 3rd round
Bobbo may need to give his pick to someone for that to happen.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:42 PM   #4774
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lol, just PM people with questions if you want. I'd be willing to give advice on picks, I mean, I'm not super competitive anyway.
Basically, I'll give my advice but I don't try to change people's opinions, and I think everyone should do the same. For example if someone says to me that they're thinking about taking Player X but I think thats a horrible pick, I won't say to them "thats horrible don't do that." Instead I'll point out the positives and negatives of the pick and let them decide themselves.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:44 PM   #4775
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I think it'd be great to freely discuss undrafted players in this thread. Mostly because I'm not in it lol.
As has already been said, this would temporarily increase discussion but be bad overall for discussion. Risky or unpopular picks are good because they cause debate. If we all give advice before each pick then less of those happen.
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