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Old 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM   #4726
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No....

Chauncey, Deron Williams, Arenas, KJ all better stop being a ridiculous Warriors homer. I'm sure you are basing ur argument off the autographed Hardaway jersey/photo hanging above ur bed.
Does everyone else consider Arenas a PG too? I've seen him referred to one several times in this thread. The Wizards motion offense doesn't really rely upon a true PG so its hard to tell really. I've always thought of him as an AI/Wade type of guy who is more of a 2guard in a PG's body(although Wade is big enough to pass as a small SG I guess).
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM   #4727
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Bobbo,

is this in response to:

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**** YOU KLJ **** YOU **** YOU **** YOU JUST SAW YOUR PICK **** YOU
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also, just want to mentino again, **** KLJ for picking sid the squid. i wanted him so bad
if it is, can I choose not to "press charges"? i know he still me.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:12 PM   #4728
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i missed something who is fuclark?
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:12 PM   #4729
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also, my sense of schadenfreude would be greatly pleased if, after all the ****-talking he's done, HighStakesPro totally punted his next pick
wtf is schadenfreude?
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:12 PM   #4730
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lol bobbo i think i get it now
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:13 PM   #4731
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I mean to be fair BF has gotten like 15 warnings from Clark about this. I don't agree with the not naming players rule, but you kind of put him in a bad spot Bobbos.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:14 PM   #4732
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Seriously, **** you. No violation of terms, I went back to edit my posts.
You've been asked publicly at least twice by me to stop it, and at least once that this would happen if you kept it up.

You got lucky yesterday that I wasn't around when you carpetbombed a few posts and then edited later. But the one today is too much. I CLEARLY and publicly warned you. Good gosh man, this isn't on me.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:15 PM   #4733
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Yeah because I mention BRUCE BOWEN? Who did I mention? I complained people picked who I wanted.
Ellis.

And like 3 posters complained (with due cause) instantly. I mean, Ellis is gonna go before Bowen and Bowen is going in like the 5th round.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:15 PM   #4734
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you mentioned at least 4 guys I'm pretty sure.. 2 or 3 of which were pretty valuable.

Despite me trolling Assani about it earlier, I think at this point the no-talk is pretty valuable and leads to a more interesting draft.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:17 PM   #4735
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regarding the thread:

I had TH as the 10th best PG, and was surprised he slipped so far.
Moncrief (as well as TH, Nance, Kemp, and one guy that hasn't been taken yet) was on my short list of reasons why I traded down.
I really, really wanted Buck Williams with my 3rd rounder and was surprised he got picked. He's solid.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:18 PM   #4736
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First, awesome thread. This is a really cool idea.

There's a challenger to the 2004 Lakers where every player from the team is 24. This would only work if the 1979 rule was lifted, especially since Parish and Johnson wouldn't even be able to play, but the '86 Celtics would be pretty impressive with a 24 year old Bill Walton. Wedman was sharp back at that age too.
If you take of the 79 rule the Laker team with Magic, Kareem and Bob McAdoo would be pretty good too.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:18 PM   #4737
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Despite me trolling Assani about it earlier, I think at this point the no-talk is pretty valuable and leads to a more interesting draft.
Definitely, I trolled it as well. I think it's pretty obvious that it's much more interesting not having an effen clue who's coming up next.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:19 PM   #4738
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Parker: 24.3 points, 52.9% eFG%, 73.6% FT, 3.7 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 3.3 turnovers, 1.0 steals, 0.0 blocks


Deron: 21.6 points, 56.5% eFG%, 77.3% FT, 3.6 rebounds, 10.0 assists, 3.1 turnovers, 0.6 steals, 0.3 blocks

I'm going with Deron, although it is close. Better efficiency and signficantly more assists.
Deron has played about 5 more minutes/game at a faster pace (pace is a guess, but it seems right), and this is mostly because the Spurs have had a lot of blowouts where the starters sat significant minutes. Parker is also sharing ball-handling duties with Ginobili, who has 4.3 assists/game. No other guard on Utah has a significant amount of assists.

It's definitely close. Deron could sure use a team.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:20 PM   #4739
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uh McHale >>>>>>> Hardaway first off.

Second Billups is def better, especially in this type of format where defense is even more important. And why didn't you bring up Arenas? He is clearly better. Deron is also better, dude is a freak, he is much more efficent, better passer etc. And KJ is better as well.

You = Massive Homer.
This is now the third time I've asked you this.....

Obviously I'm a big defensive first fan, and my picks probably will reflect that unless great values drop to me. Why is defense more important in this format than in the normal NBA? I think its equally important in both. I've already explained why twice, so I won't go through it all again, but I'm interested in hearing your reasoning.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:21 PM   #4740
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OMG AND I PICK IN 17 PICKS AGAIN CANT WAIT
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:22 PM   #4741
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As long as u guys admit McHale in this format is better than Barkley or Malone then no more talk is cool

PS: I actually have been thinkin this for a day now, but I think McHale benefits more from this format than any other player taken so far (in that, his injury was a freak one, he came off the bench for a ton of years prior to his peak so that hurt his production, and when he was finally in his prime, he got hurt and had he not, he would have been possibly the best PF of all time (although some still do consider him the greatest PF of all time, which is very remarkable considering longevity plays a huge part in those discussions.)
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:23 PM   #4742
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This is now the third time I've asked you this.....

Obviously I'm a big defensive first fan, and my picks probably will reflect that unless great values drop to me. Why is defense more important in this format than in the normal NBA? I think its equally important in both. I've already explained why twice, so I won't go through it all again, but I'm interested in hearing your reasoning.
The standards for size, speed, athleticism and offensive quality will all be significantly higher in this league (because of the positive correlations between being "good" and being big/fast/strong/skilled). Thus defense is more important, and a lack thereof will be magnified.

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Old 05-19-2008, 08:24 PM   #4743
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lol when did I say he was the greatest of all time? I'm just sick of the lack of respect he got in this format when he is better than Barkley/Malone/KG are.

Edit: Didn't see ur edit, but I'm not obssesed over him, it's just that a ton of you were underrating him, so it got formed into a long drawn out argument. McHale isn't even one of my top 5 favorite players ever.
I never noticed you were saying McHale was better than KG too until now. Wow, just wow.....
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:25 PM   #4744
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Oh man, don't get him started again...
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:27 PM   #4745
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Peja can't create his own shot. It's a huge issue. When he was truly a top player when Webber was out, he was literally feed by 2 of the greatest big men passers ever and he'd come off screens wide open. When he was a lesser fiddle he has trouble getting open b/c he can't create his own shot. I thought he'd be a 3rd/4th round guy. Also he's a huge liability defensively and in the playoffs he disappears. Yes this is a rant of a huge Kings fan who had to deal with this guy. I remember his MVP-type season me and my friend agreed he was better than Dirk, but then he fell off so badly it was sick.
24+ points on 62.4% TS% is such a sick peak though. I don't think he fell off so much as he was traded out of the system which was perfect for him, then he had injury problems, and now hes starting his natural decline due to age.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:28 PM   #4746
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Clark/Assani:

Can't we admit that this debate has run its course and is now just preventing useful discussion?

There have been a bunch of picks today, and we still have to listen to this.
Its definitely run its course, but theres no shortage of board space. We can keep discussing this and discuss all the other picks too imo. I'm never ever going to say 'no' to a heated debate.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:30 PM   #4747
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How much discussing of players is going on through PM between people? Why the hell can't we talk about players in the thread if a group of people are discussing/advising picks to each other in a format that not everyone gets to read?

I'd like to PM a couple of people to see what they thought about the people I'm deciding between, but I wouldn't because it just seems to defeat the purpose of having the draft.
I kinda agree, and I havn't initated talks, but when people PM me I do respond with some basic thoughts of mine(but I never give too much away).
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:30 PM   #4748
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I think people forget HOW bad peja was at everything except shooting, especially in his earlier years. It is only with his recent resurgence with the Hornets that he's started showing signs of defense and even dribbling.

Keep this in mind, and realize that he needs to be on a team where he can stand around and just bang ****.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:31 PM   #4749
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Pointing out FG% and ignoring eFG% or TS% while discussing Parker is intellectually dishonest imo. You know that its not the best metric, yet you use it anyway to support your argument.
He also has a pretty good eFG and TS so that's really not the case, and it's not like I'm trying to sell ice to eskimos here. Parker is an efficient scorer.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:32 PM   #4750
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Actually, we all underrate paul pierce. PP is closer to Kobe and Tmac than he is to someone like Mitch or Peja. (SG/SF guys recently picked)
agreed completely.

lapoker17,

Yours is another one of those comments that I just hate. I love the fact that you have a differing view, but at least offer some damn analysis of why you think we overrate Pierce to get the discussion going.
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