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Old 05-19-2008, 07:31 PM   #4701
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I was going to bring up TMac, but then I went and looked at the stats. Wow TMac is an insanely inefficient scorer, while Pierce is pretty damn efficient. Obviously Pierce's 60% TS% this year is in part do being surrounded by such a good team, but for his career hes at 56% which is damn good for a bulk scorer who is asked to do so much.

TMac meanwhile is pretty bad at only 52% TS% for his career and under 49% this year(yuck!!!). And its not like he hasn't been surrounded by decent talent around him in Vince/Hill/Yao.

To give a comparison, Iverson is widely critisized as an inefficient scorer, but his TS% for his career is only .3 percentage points lower, and hes had very little surrounding talent and is even more of a bulk scorer than TMac.
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I might be one of the guys that thinks Pierce is underrated by some of the BOS homers, for the aforementioned reasons.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:32 PM   #4702
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btw about 6 or 7 picks ago I mentioned that I couldn't believe someone is still available....and he still hasn't been picked. I guess I could just be overrating him.
He's not getting past me, but I'd **** a brick if he got to me anyway.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:33 PM   #4703
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Somebody picking parker at this stage tells me they didn't follow the NBA before 2003.
I really hate comments like this. I love debate and discussion, but give some reasoning why you don't like Parker rather than just a sarcastic or insulting comment. Obviously it may be tough when you can't mention others you liked more than him, but you can still give reasoning why you think hes being overrated.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:37 PM   #4704
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parker is a fantastic player. u realize he is consistently like top 3 in points in the paint? he was proly the best point guard available.
I think everyone who watches Parker realizes this. However thats somewhat offset by the fact that his range is limited. His FG% is great for a PG; His eFG% and TS% is merely ok.

I think that when you have a very well coached and discipline team and wings who can shoot the 3 then you can suceed with Parker. However with a less disciplined team then spacing the floor is going to be a big issue since Parker has to spot up a few steps closer than most PGs.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:37 PM   #4705
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I mentioned this briefly way upthread, but it didn't get much notice. Which actual NBA team would be the strongest under the rules of this draft?

2004 Lakers would be pretty sick, but I can't think of anyone who'd beat the 2003 Spurs.
2004 Lakers auto wins because they have Malone and Payton.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:41 PM   #4706
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I mentioned this briefly way upthread, but it didn't get much notice. Which actual NBA team would be the strongest under the rules of this draft?

2004 Lakers would be pretty sick, but I can't think of anyone who'd beat the 2003 Spurs.
u mean which nba team would be the best if u took their best players since 1980?
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:44 PM   #4707
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All, I know it's not now but I have the 88th pick and am willing to entertain offers.

Edit- I'm not giving it away, but there's a lot of people wanting to move up so I figure I might as well get into it while the demand is so high

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Old 05-19-2008, 07:48 PM   #4708
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Okay now I have to decide between two players, hopefully dtemp doesn't take one of them, i was waiting the whole round for Hardaway and after people were making dumb picks like Dumars and Parker and a few others I can't remember, I was sure he would drop to me...oh well.
I'd much rather have Joe Dumars than Tim Hardaway. More efficient and a much much better defender. Those things are vital for winning in this league and in real life.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:49 PM   #4709
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2004 Lakers auto wins because they have Malone and Payton.
yeah not close. 2003 spurs gtfo.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:50 PM   #4710
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More efficient and a much much better defender. Those things are vital for winning in this league and in real life.
You just crushed Nellie's world.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:50 PM   #4711
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u mean which nba team would be the best if u took their best players since 1980?
I think he means, what if you had every player on any particular team at age 24.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:52 PM   #4712
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Guys, I'm leaving in about 30 minutes who's going to be F5ing this thread all night so I can PM him my pick?
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:52 PM   #4713
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Guys, I'm leaving in about 30 minutes who's going to be F5ing this thread all night so I can PM him my pick?
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edit- actually i'll be watching the spurs/hornets game and wont check during halftime if anyone is addicted enough to this to not watch the game tonight (which would be sad considering its a great nba game)
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:52 PM   #4714
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Somebody saying this says they haven't watched the NBA since 2003 or doesn't understand this draft. Parker is just now entering the years eligible for this draft, and all available evidence says you are getting 18-20 pts, ~6 assists a game guy who shoots a real high FG% and gets to the rim almost at will, where he both distributes and finishes surprisingly well. He has also been fairly durable thus far, which is more than can be said for a lot of the other PG taken.
Pointing out FG% and ignoring eFG% or TS% while discussing Parker is intellectually dishonest imo. You know that its not the best metric, yet you use it anyway to support your argument.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:53 PM   #4715
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^^^ I will.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:53 PM   #4716
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Thanks for PM'n the pick to someone flyingmoose, mad cool.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:01 PM   #4717
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As for TP, I have trouble rating him due to homerism concerns. I really think he's been the 2nd best PG in the playoffs this year (sorry Deron),
Parker: 24.3 points, 52.9% eFG%, 73.6% FT, 3.7 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 3.3 turnovers, 1.0 steals, 0.0 blocks


Deron: 21.6 points, 56.5% eFG%, 77.3% FT, 3.6 rebounds, 10.0 assists, 3.1 turnovers, 0.6 steals, 0.3 blocks

I'm going with Deron, although it is close. Better efficiency and signficantly more assists.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:02 PM   #4718
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:04 PM   #4719
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btw, just looking over playoff stats now....

God its impressive how few turnovers Chris Paul commits. 11 assists and only 1.6 turnovers in the playoffs. Just sick.

In other news, I didn't realize what a great playoffs Kobe is having so far: 33.3 points, 53% eFG%, 80.6% FT%, 6.3 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.7 blocks.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:05 PM   #4720
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First, awesome thread. This is a really cool idea.

There's a challenger to the 2004 Lakers where every player from the team is 24. This would only work if the 1979 rule was lifted, especially since Parish and Johnson wouldn't even be able to play, but the '86 Celtics would be pretty impressive with a 24 year old Bill Walton. Wedman was sharp back at that age too.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:09 PM   #4721
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2004 Lakers auto wins because they have Malone and Payton.
A matchup between them and 2003 Spurs would be nuts. Remember that the Spurs won the title in 2003 pretty much solely because Timmy was MVP. Robinson was crippled and old. Parker was young and ****ty. Ginobili had just joined the league and wasn't anywhere near the player he is now. They got significant minutes from 2 guys who are no longer on the team, and have yet to be drafted. And they still won the title, including beating the defending 3peat Lakers and making Kobe cry.

Spurs have the better 5th man. Lakers have Shaq. But Spurs have Timmy AND Robinson waiting for him. Man-for-man, the 04 Lakers are a little better than the 03 Spurs, but as far as how they all fit together as a team, the 03 Spurs have an edge.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:09 PM   #4722
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I got Moose's pick, and will put it up as soon as the next pick is made.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM   #4723
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ut oh

I hope Bobbos doesn't get banned any longer.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM   #4724
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hahaha. That'll help I'm sure
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM   #4725
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I mean, how many warnings do you really expect? You're ruining it for others.
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