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Old 05-19-2008, 05:28 PM   #4601
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also, my sense of schadenfreude would be greatly pleased if, after all the ****-talking he's done, HighStakesPro totally punted his next pick
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:30 PM   #4602
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Parker has neer averaged more than 6 assists in a season and his career average is 5.5 apg.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:32 PM   #4603
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wtf, ****-talking? I disagreed with some picks that many others disagreed with too, and I complimented a few picks as well. The whole point is to generate discussion, yes?
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:33 PM   #4604
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Hardaway was the guy I was wondering how the hell was still on the board, unless I'm missing something seems like decent steal
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:33 PM   #4605
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Yeah, I goofed on the writeup, was doing it from memory as I looked at br first and then tried to one up Peja's wife last. Too late to edit now.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:36 PM   #4606
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Also, while his raw numbers are pretty good as is, the Spurs have consistently been one of the slowest paced teams in one of the slower paced eras in NBA history. So, while Hardaway might have a few 20/10 seasons, he's doing that in 100+ possessions a game, while Parker is putting up 19/6 in ~88 possessions a game. I also think that while he's great in the half court game based around Duncan that the Spurs run, his penetration and finishing abilities can work well at any pace, so moving to a higher paced team won't hurt his efficiency.
TH also played on the Heat squads of the mid-90s and still averaged 19-8, they only average 88 possessions as well in 1996, 1997, and even 85 in 1998. So he played pretty damn well for a slow down team as well. TH is a better passer than TP and it's almost without question but TP is a much better penetrator and probally equally as good shooter. Defensively TH was also pretty damn good with an All-NBA defender in the middle with Zo just like TP is a decent defender #s wise with all world defender TD in the middle and all world defender playing the wing as well as other good defenders playing at just about every other position.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:38 PM   #4607
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:38 PM   #4608
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Chauncey, Deron Williams, Arenas, KJ all better stop being a ridiculous Warriors homer. I'm sure you are basing ur argument off the autographed Hardaway jersey/photo hanging above ur bed.
LOL no, Billups may be a better defender and more efficient shooter but Hardaway was a much better ball handler and passer. Different types of players. Hardaway's ealy seasons compare favorably to Deron's. KJ was arguably as good or maybe slightly better in his prime, but he didn't last long and declined early. Two of his best seasons were before age 24. And regardless Hardaway had the best crossover in NBA history, and LOL at you calling ME a homer...wow. You can call me a homer if I ever try to claim Hardaway was better than Payton or Kidd, kind of like what you do with McHale.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:42 PM   #4609
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wtf, ****-talking? I disagreed with some picks that many others disagreed with too, and I complimented a few picks as well. The whole point is to generate discussion, yes?
You've written something to the effect of "I can't wait to show you all up with my pick after seeing how bad some of the picks this round have been" several times
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:43 PM   #4610
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:46 PM   #4611
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nothing tilts me more than "Player Y was better at X, Player J was better at Z and Q, therefore Player J is better." So lame and never of any worth.

I think Tim probably dropped a bit, but Billups is better imo. Tim's raw stats early on are inflated a bit due to Nelly-ball, both in style of play and playing absurd minutes. 20/10 isn't quite as impressive when you're playing 41 minutes a night for a team that averages 104 possessions.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:48 PM   #4612
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LOL no, Billups may be a better defender and more efficient shooter but Hardaway was a much better ball handler and passer. Different types of players. Hardaway's ealy seasons compare favorably to Deron's. KJ was arguably as good or maybe slightly better in his prime, but he didn't last long and declined early. Two of his best seasons were before age 24. And regardless Hardaway had the best crossover in NBA history, and LOL at you calling ME a homer...wow. You can call me a homer if I ever try to claim Hardaway was better than Payton or Kidd, kind of like what you do with McHale.
uh McHale >>>>>>> Hardaway first off.

Second Billups is def better, especially in this type of format where defense is even more important. And why didn't you bring up Arenas? He is clearly better. Deron is also better, dude is a freak, he is much more efficent, better passer etc. And KJ is better as well.

You = Massive Homer.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:48 PM   #4613
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You've written something to the effect of "I can't wait to show you all up with my pick after seeing how bad some of the picks this round have been" several times
Yes, I was going to pick Hardaway. And I said that once. If you absolutely insist I'll retract my statement and isue a formal apology to all the offended participants.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:49 PM   #4614
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nothing tilts me more than "Player Y was better at X, Player J was better at Z and Q, therefore Player J is better." So lame and never of any worth.

I think Tim probably dropped a bit, but Billups is better imo. Tim's raw stats early on are inflated a bit due to Nelly-ball, both in style of play and playing absurd minutes. 20/10 isn't quite as impressive when you're playing 41 minutes a night for a team that averages 104 possessions.
I'm not going to defend TH against other players, Billups, KJ were all good picks imo although I think Billups was a little early, but TH averaged 20/8.6/3.4 and 2 spg on Miami's 88 possession teams during the 1996-1997 seasons, so it's not just b/c of pace that he was awesome.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:52 PM   #4615
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uh McHale >>>>>>> Hardaway first off.
My comparison obviously flew over your head. Saying Hardaway is better than Kidd or Payton would be like saying McHale is better than Barkley or Malone or KG, which is what you do. And i've made like 3 posts about Hardaway, while you've made about 300 posts about Jesus McHale.

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Second Billups is def better, especially in this type of format where defense is even more important. And why didn't you bring up Arenas? He is clearly better. Deron is also better, dude is a freak, he is much more efficent, better passer etc. And KJ is better as well.

You = Massive Homer.
Okay, they're all just better because they're better. Great argument.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:53 PM   #4616
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My comparison obviously flew over your head. Saying Hardaway is better than Kidd or Payton would be like saying McHale is better than Barkley or Malone or KG, which is what you do. And i've made 1% as many posts about Hardaway as you have about McHale.



Okay, they're all just better because they're better. Great argument.
No it didn't because McHale is in the same catagory as Barkley/Malone/KG etc.

Hardaway isn't in the same catagory in Payton/Kidd.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:56 PM   #4617
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No it didn't because McHale is in the same catagory as Barkley/Malone etc.

Hardaway isn't in the same catagory in Payton/Kidd.
Okay if you don't want to admit being a homer then fine, just don't call me a homer because I made three posts about someone who played less than half of his career on my team and mostly before I followed basketball.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:58 PM   #4618
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Okay if you don't want to admit being a homer then fine, just don't call me a homer because I made three posts about someone who played less than half of his career on my team and mostly before I followed basketball.
And then claimed he was the best pg taken in this round, um ya sure ur not a homer.

I'm sure u would have discussed him a lot more, but he hadn't been picked so you couldn't. McHale has been picked for like 15 days now, so obv I would discuss him more than the 1 hour u have had to discuss Hardaway.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:58 PM   #4619
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

PLs no more McHale talk, please?

Please?
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:00 PM   #4620
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wtf this McHale **** is driving me nuts.

EP, you are making people hate a good pick.

Just stop trying to convince everyone how much smarter you are than them. You are hurting the perception of your team, not helping it.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:00 PM   #4621
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

PLs no more McHale talk, please?

Please?
As long as u guys admit McHale in this format is better than Barkley or Malone then no more talk is cool

PS: I actually have been thinkin this for a day now, but I think McHale benefits more from this format than any other player taken so far (in that, his injury was a freak one, he came off the bench for a ton of years prior to his peak so that hurt his production, and when he was finally in his prime, he got hurt and had he not, he would have been possibly the best PF of all time (although some still do consider him the greatest PF of all time, which is very remarkable considering longevity plays a huge part in those discussions.)
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:00 PM   #4622
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Hardaway was a vv good pick.

I don't know what to make of the Peja and Richmond picks. I think they both went a little too early even if they are great players.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:01 PM   #4623
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As long as u guys admit McHale in this format is better than Barkley or Malone then no more talk is cool

PS: I actually have been thinkin this for a day now, but I think McHale benefits more from this format than any other player taken so far (in that, his injury was a freak one, he came off the bench for a ton of years prior to his peak so that hurt his production, and when he was finally in his prime, he got hurt).
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:01 PM   #4624
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Yeah TH is nowhere near the player Payton, Kidd were but there aren't many PGs in that grouping other than Stockton and Magic imo of the vets. Then you have CP3 who could be, but who knows, i hope he is though. Then there is a gap where you have Nash, Billups, Deron, KJ, TH, TP and there isn't a huge differential between any. With Deron you have a very early peak which will hopefully stay high, same with TP although I doubt he is that good without TD ie they don't win a title without TD. All 6 players have big holes in their games. I don't think Billups is an exceptional distributor, the rest of the 5 are not exceptionally defensively. TH is a chucker, TP doesn't shoot well and isn't an exceptional distriburtor, KJ had injury problems and Nash is a horrible defender, I guess i mentioned that already.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:02 PM   #4625
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