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Old 05-08-2008, 12:10 AM   #401
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How many point guards have ever had better seasons than the one Chris Paul just had?
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:11 AM   #402
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I don't hate the pick, but I'd have taken Dwight over Cp3, just because I value big men more than point guards.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:14 AM   #403
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How many point guards have ever had better seasons than the one Chris Paul just had?
What does that matter? What if he has some weird accident or Beyonce drops Jay-Z and says quit bball and I will bang you every night? So he has had 1 year greater than anyone, I'll take the guard that has had the best year in the league for a decade and was productive until he was 40.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:16 AM   #404
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extrapolation.
results are meaningless and lead to uncertainty. What exactly is your point?
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:16 AM   #405
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How many point guards have ever had better seasons than the one Chris Paul just had?
The point is that when everyone picks a guy who is retired or near retirement, they are basing the value on the pick on the guys career. When CP3 or any of the other super young guys get picked, a lot of people are going to value them on near (or at) the ceiling of their upside. I just don't know if that is fair, and was wondering what people think about it.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:17 AM   #406
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i know for a fact if sabonis slips to assani, he will grab him and say he has the best C of all time imo
haha, if I could get him as a 24 year old I might, but rules state you only get them once they enter the NBA(if they're not yet in the NBA at age 24).
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:17 AM   #407
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Okay I'm kind of pissed now because I'm next after Lurchy and BOTH of the players I was considering got OUTED in this thread, Howard and Mailman, fortunately I will get one of them, I'm not saying which I want more so as not to impact Lurchy's pick. Hopefully you guys do not spill out any more names, this becomes especially important as the rounds progress because selections get less and less obvious.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:18 AM   #408
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The point is that when everyone picks a guy who is retired or near retirement, they are basing the value on the pick on the guys career. When CP3 or any of the other super young guys get picked, a lot of people are going to value them on near (or at) the ceiling of their upside. I just don't know if that is fair, and was wondering what people think about it.
I think that, just like real life, these young players will get overrated.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:18 AM   #409
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I am CP3 fanboi and understand his greatness. But w/o knowing what his greatness will actually be--realizing that these picks are based on factors that we can't determine yes (injuries, peaks etc.), how can you justify this pick over Stockton?
I think it's close. Stockton is a better shooter, but Paul is a better slasher. Stockton is probably a slightly better passer and defender, but Paul is a better rebounder. Paul's stats are much more likely to improve than to regress. Stockton had great longetivity but variance plays a big part of that, and Paul doesn't seem to be injury prone or anything.
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What does that matter? What if he has some weird accident or Beyonce drops Jay-Z and says quit bball and I will bang you every night? So he has had 1 year greater than anyone, I'll take the guard that has had the best year in the league for a decade and was productive until he was 40.
You're not getting it. In our league any pick is just as likely to have a "weird accident". The only thing you know about currently retired players is how their careers turned out in the situation they were in in real life, which is indeed valuable information and gives those players less risk than CP3 but it doesn't guarantee us anything.
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I think that, just like real life, these young players will get overrated.
That sucks though.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:20 AM   #412
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Clark can u seriously delete that post, I was hopin that guy fell or at least that I could trade up to get him.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:21 AM   #413
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The point is that when everyone picks a guy who is retired or near retirement, they are basing the value on the pick on the guys career. When CP3 or any of the other super young guys get picked, a lot of people are going to value them on near the ceiling of their upside. I just don't know if that is fair, and was wondering what people think about it.
Exactly. There has to be a cutoff date in which the player had to of played his rookie season so there is enough information on the player.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:21 AM   #414
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What does that matter? What if he has some weird accident or Beyonce drops Jay-Z and says quit bball and I will bang you every night? So he has had 1 year greater than anyone, I'll take the guard that has had the best year in the league for a decade and was productive until he was 40.
Assani said to not to consider fluke possibilities, and that someone who stayed healthy his whole career doesn't mean he will do the same in our league. Stockton is just as likely to be involved in a polygamy lawsuit as Paul is to quit bball for Beyonce.
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People who think Kobe is even close to MJ are insane. Yes, insane.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:22 AM   #416
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No one "outed" Karl Malone, anymore than people are now "outing" Stockton.

Later on this stuff will matter, but anyone who thinks that Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Zeke, Ewing, blah blah are somehow gonna be forgotten is nuts. Big difference from saying in round 5 (200 players in) "wow, Brad Sellers is still available!".

If someone picks Paul, there's really no reason to wait to discuss why they chose him over Stockton, Nash, Payton, Isaiah is there? It's the obvious question.

But, carry on, I'll refrain from any more naming.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:22 AM   #417
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Jack...........I'm not responding to your posts anymore becuase you really have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure 30/7/6 is close enough to 30/8/8, lebron is bigger and taller so he got 2 more boards and another assist, wow who ****ing cares!? Close enough wtf!? And yes you are a kobe hater and anybody reading your posts would agree. YOu life tilt me more than Vyse, I'm officially done responding to you. Now go ahead and cry to me about how I just cant answer your points and thats why i wont respond.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:22 AM   #418
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The point is that when everyone picks a guy who is retired or near retirement, they are basing the value on the pick on the guys career. When CP3 or any of the other super young guys get picked, a lot of people are going to value them on near (or at) the ceiling of their upside. I just don't know if that is fair, and was wondering what people think about it.
What do you think is a realistic floor for Paul?

What do you think is his expected career projection?
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haha, if I could get him as a 24 year old I might, but rules state you only get them once they enter the NBA(if they're not yet in the NBA at age 24).
oh **** that he's my sleeper and I'm taking him and he's 24
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No one "outed" Karl Malone, anymore than people are now "outing" Stockton.

Later on this stuff will matter, but anyone who thinks that Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Zeke, Ewing, blah blah are somehow gonna be forgotten is nuts. Big difference from saying in round 5 (200 players in) "wow, Brad Sellers is still available!".

If someone picks Paul, there's really no reason to wait to discuss why they chose him over Stockton, Nash, Payton, Isaiah is there? It's the obvious question.

But, carry on, I'll refrain from any more naming.
Oh yes, Ewing, that's who I was forgetting. I think I might take him now instead
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:24 AM   #421
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Assani said to not to consider fluke possibilities, and that someone who stayed healthy his whole career doesn't mean he will do the same in our league. Stockton is just as likely to be involved in a polygamy lawsuit as Paul is to quit bball for Beyonce.
Forget being healthy, how about someone being able to consistently put up insane numbers throughout their career.

I'm not knocking CP3, hes uber. I just don't know if he should be valued as being able to do what he did this year for the next 10 years.

CP3 isn't even the most important example, even younger guys are more problematic because many of them havn't even had good seasons.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:24 AM   #422
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Ya there is a huge difference than naming someone than to saying OMG u picked Paul when Karl Malone was on the board???? Basacally implying that people are crazy that he is still on the board and someone who maybe didn't think of picking him now will.

I've basacally given up hope that Karl Malone will be there where I pick now so whatever, what's done is done. I know there was like a very small chance he woulda been there, but still a chance.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:24 AM   #423
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Clark can u seriously delete that post, I was hopin that guy fell or at least that I could trade up to get him.
umm.. it's Karl Freaking Malone.. no one is forgetting him

people really need to stop being such ninnies about the naming thing.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:24 AM   #424
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You're not getting it. In our league any pick is just as likely to have a "weird accident". The only thing you know about currently retired players is how their careers turned out in the situation they were in in real life, which is indeed valuable information and gives those players less risk than CP3 but it doesn't guarantee us anything.
You're right, I must not be getting it. How on earth can you know what a player's career, peak etc. is going to be after 1 incredible season at 22 and two really good seasons before that? What am I missing? Help a brotha out.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:24 AM   #425
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WTF ASSANI I WANTED SABONIS WHY ARE YOU OUTING HIM.

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