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Old 05-18-2008, 07:05 PM   #4176
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Can someone PM me when we start talking about basketball again please?

I'll make an earnest attempt: GKA's team is looking pretty good after today.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:05 PM   #4177
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We are not changing the time limit unless everyone agrees to.
For the millionth time, this is not your decision to make.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:07 PM   #4178
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Your posting style is becoming so abrasive and whiny, it's making me disagree with you even more.
I have to use CAPS since when I didn't people kept putting words into my mouth and saying I said stuff I never said (this happened at least 15 times in this thread.) Ever since I used CAPS people have stopped putting words into my mouth (thank god).
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:07 PM   #4179
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I vote for no time limit and this thread to stop being the ***** fest it became today.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:09 PM   #4180
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Yeti,

You are not even involved in this thread so I don't care what you think, and yes you did misinterpret it.
Do you even realize how selfish you're being right now? You have several people not involved in the draft telling you that what you're trying to do is completely unfair to others in the draft, yet you just don't seem to care because your personal preference is to speed things up.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:10 PM   #4181
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All the time limit will do is make people more considerate in the time the take to make picks. It will cause people to PM a top 5 list, and it will make the discussion and the draft run much much smoother.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:11 PM   #4182
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When was the very beginning? People signed up as soon as you made the sign-up thread. I'm pretty sure that everybody signed up under the impression that it would be a snake draft, and yet we agreed to change that. .
That is completely different. Changing it to a snake draft does not restrict anyone from participating. Do you guys really not understand that there are people out there who work 60-80 hours per week and have a family who can't check in that often but still want to be a part of this?
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:11 PM   #4183
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No.

That was a rule to make things fair.

This is a rule that may prevent certain people who want to participate from participating.

Please answer these two questions:

Why do you think everyone not involved with this draft is agreeing with me?

Why did you sign up under those rules if you didn't like them.


We are not changing the time limit unless everyone agrees to. If you try to break this rule then the whole draft is going to die(you will argue that someone should be skipped and the next person will draft, I'll maintain that its there pick. They'll finally get in here only to find out that someone they wanted was picked and we'll have chaos.)

As I said to EPiPeN11, you are welcome to withdraw from this league and start your own.
1. Everyone not involved in the draft is agreeing with you because they have no vested interest in speeding up the draft and don't have to impatiently wait several days between picks.

2. Nobody complained about the rules because people were mostl excited about the prospect for an all-time draft like this and just assumed that out of common courtesy that everyone would make their picks in a timely manner, or at least POST IN THE THREAD if they had a particular reason for needing to take extra time. Most of us are not nits that scour the rules and look for zomgloopholes and threaten to not sign up unless it's changed. I am not against waiting so much as I am against people never posting in the thread and then not pming anyone or saying anything about when they'll next be able to be on 2+2 and pick.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:12 PM   #4184
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Do you even realize how selfish you're being right now? You have several people not involved in the draft telling you that what you're trying to do is completely unfair to others in the draft, yet you just don't seem to care because your personal preference is to speed things up.
What is hard to understand about the fact that on drafting issues the opinions of people in the draft matter way more than the opinions of people who have no involvement in it whatsoever? I hate how often you are just purposely dense.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:13 PM   #4185
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Assani why are you arguing the differences between the snake/reverse when you were against that also.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:13 PM   #4186
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wow and bynum knee surgery really dampens things ehh?
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:13 PM   #4187
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1. Everyone not involved in the draft is agreeing with you because they have no vested interest in speeding up the draft and don't have to impatiently wait several days between picks.
Disagree.

I would love more picks to be made. It would lead to more interesting discussion.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:13 PM   #4188
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For the millionth time, this is not your decision to make.
jesus.

it's assani's idea. without him the draft would not exist. it's his rules. people signed up under those rules.

how many teams are in this thing, 30? so if 16 people decide tomorrow that it's a $5k entry fee to continue in the draft, the other 14 are just instantly booted out if they don't pay up? even though they signed up for a fun, free draft?

you are so completely off in this.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:15 PM   #4189
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If someone who is an infrequent poster merely has the decency to state that they don't check the forum during x and y time periods, or that they will be unavailable until x date, like battschr did, then that is reasonable because at least then we know when to expect them back, and I wouldn't have a problem with giving them an extension since they are telling us ahead of time. It is only when someone completely disappears from the forum and doesn't say anything to anybody that this becomes an issue, because people are hanging around the thread with no idea when the person will pick, and it's a waste of everyone's time.
Like I said,

I will address this issue by PMing people who do this. Please understand:

I can understand where you guys are coming from and why you're getting impatient. And I'm trying to make things better for you by offering to do this(note that it takes time and effort for me to PM these people and have this conversation...none of you of course will ever thank me or appriciate that I've taken a lot of time to try to make everyone happy, but whatever). However I simply can't change the rules if it means that certain people cannot participate.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:18 PM   #4190
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Disagree.

I would love more picks to be made. It would lead to more interesting discussion.
Good. So let's do something about it.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:18 PM   #4191
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You just want it to be your way or no way and hide behind protecting the posters not showing enough interest in the thread
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:20 PM   #4192
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Keeping people around in this draft who wouldn't be able to comply to a reasonable time limit isn't for the good of the draft. These are people who aren't going to contribute anything to the discussion anyways. Look at who have been the people who have caused issues so far and how much they have contributed to this thread.
Agreed that they don't contribute to the discussion, but if we don't have enough teams then each team will be too loaded. If you can find replacement owners then I would PM the people who take a while and say to them "Sorry but we're going to change the rules. Can you keep up with the new time limit? If not then we're going to have to kick you out."

This would be pretty unfair, and the time spent finding replacements and PMing thoes we're kicking out would probably be longer than we're waiting for them to pick, but I'd be willing to do that I guess(if other owners in the draft all agree to this as well: 100% vote, not majority only)
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:20 PM   #4193
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Good. So let's do something about it.
Changing the rules now is extremely unfair. Even if I had a vote, I would vote against it.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:21 PM   #4194
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jesus.

it's assani's idea. without him the draft would not exist. it's his rules. people signed up under those rules.

how many teams are in this thing, 30? so if 16 people decide tomorrow that it's a $5k entry fee to continue in the draft, the other 14 are just instantly booted out if they don't pay up? even though they signed up for a fun, free draft?

you are so completely off in this.
And we've already changed one non-trivial rule on a majority vote. Your 5k entry fee example is just awful as you are obviously smart enough to know the large difference between your example and the actual situation. No one is being prevented from participating by the institution of a 24 hour time limit or something similar. It just requires those people to be somewhat courteous of the other people involved if there pick is coming up and they aren't going to be able to make a pick for some reason or another by PMing someone a short list of players so that a pick can be made for them in their absence. It is silly to make the majority of the people in this thing who are very actively participating suffer due to the few people who can't make their picks in a timely manner. The more picks like this you allow to happen, the more that will happen as a result of it as people's level of involvement and interest in this will be lessened by the increasingly drawn out nature of it. Instituting a time limit is absolutely for the good of the draft and is easily workable for all involved as long as those involved are even remotely considerate.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:22 PM   #4195
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For the millionth time, this is not your decision to make.
You're right. Its every person's though, and unless we have 100% vote then we're not going to change things since everyone(INCLUDING YOU) already agreed to one set of rules.

And I am the commish of this. I don't have any special power, but I've done a lot of work for the sake of this draft and its really obnoxious that you'd rather give me extra trouble for selfish reasons rather than just go along with things that everyone already agreed to.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:23 PM   #4196
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And we've already changed one non-trivial rule on a majority vote. Your 5k entry fee example is just awful as you are obviously smart enough to know the large difference between your example and the actual situation. No one is being prevented from participating by the institution of a 24 hour time limit or something similar. It just requires those people to be somewhat courteous of the other people involved if there pick is coming up and they aren't going to be able to make a pick for some reason or another by PMing someone a short list of players so that a pick can be made for them in their absence. It is silly to make the majority of the people in this thing who are very actively participating suffer due to the few people who can't make their picks in a timely manner. The more picks like this you allow to happen, the more that will happen as a result of it as people's level of involvement and interest in this will be lessened by the increasingly drawn out nature of it. Instituting a time limit is absolutely for the good of the draft and is easily workable for all involved as long as those involved are even remotely considerate.
I am absolutely in shock that you still think the snake/reverse snake vote is the same thing as this vote.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:26 PM   #4197
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Changing the rules now is extremely unfair. Even if I had a vote, I would vote against it.
Seriously, are you even reading all the discussion about the time limit? It should not be hard for anyone to handle. It's not like it would be a 2 hour time limit, it would be something reasonable, prob 24 hours. The vast majority of participants should be able to easily abide by that. If for some reason your pick is coming up and you know you won't be away, you either A) send someone a list to pick from for you or B) say hey guys i'm gonna be gone from this time to this time, is it cool if i get a small extension when it comes to my pick in order to aid in this.

If we kept up at our current rate, this draft would not finish until September. And that is using the current pace which without a time limit is likely to be the fastest since it is when its the freshest in people's minds and also when the most exciting picks are made of the big name flashy players. Without a time limit and at the considerably slowing pace this draft is going at, this thing could easily take a full year which would be brutally unfair to the very active participants.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:27 PM   #4198
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jesus.

it's assani's idea. without him the draft would not exist. it's his rules. people signed up under those rules.

how many teams are in this thing, 30? so if 16 people decide tomorrow that it's a $5k entry fee to continue in the draft, the other 14 are just instantly booted out if they don't pay up? even though they signed up for a fun, free draft?

you are so completely off in this.
this.

and i would LOVE to have a faster draft, i've been bitching about it the whole time. it's just not fair to implement it with a 51% majority.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:27 PM   #4199
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1. Everyone not involved in the draft is agreeing with you because they have no vested interest in speeding up the draft and don't have to impatiently wait several days between picks.

Yes they have no vested interested in speeding up the draft. They also have no vested interested in keeping the slow people happy and in the draft either. They are simply impartial bystanders who have looked at both sides and responded with what they thought was most fair. Do you disagree with this?
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:29 PM   #4200
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You just want it to be your way or no way and hide behind protecting the posters not showing enough interest in the thread
I can assure you that this is not the case. If there is any other draft and it has a time limit, then I'll be one of the first ones to jump in that(provided I'm a fan of that sport). You have my 100% honest word that I have no huge personal problem with a time limit or with no time limit. Obviously I can't prove this to you, but I give you my word.
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