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Old 05-18-2008, 06:49 PM   #4151
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assani,

i meant fan not thread!



mebenhoe,

ugh, please never roll out the 'i'm not going to, but i COULD do this because i am so powerful!' line again.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:49 PM   #4152
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If you're going to vote for a time limit, you should say what time limit you want.

There is a huge difference between 12, 18, and 24 hours. Which is another reason MEebenhoe should start another thread for this.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:49 PM   #4153
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Assani, iirc the time thing was never really up for debate because you wouldn't let it be.
Thats not true(and it still isn't).

After we got all 40 owners and started the draft process, I didn't want to change things then because people had signed up knowing that there was no time limit. It would be unfair to those who only signed up because of the no time limit rule.

If EVERYONE agrees to have a time liimt, then that is fine.

You guys seem to think that I personally am against a time limit when I'm not. I'm just trying to be fair to everyone.

If the issue was brought up at the very beginning, then I would've done this: Made a draft with a time limit. If it didn't get enough drafters then I would've dropped the time limit to try to get more people in.

However nobody even brought it up until everyone had signed up.

Multiple people have already voted against a time limit.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:50 PM   #4154
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assani,

i meant fan not thread!



mebenhoe,

ugh, please never roll out the 'i'm not going to, but i COULD do this because i am so powerful!' line again.
you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was saying that it would be very stupid of me to ever do something like that, and that that was basically what assani was trying to do.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:52 PM   #4155
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Assani you made it very clear you were against a time limit from the very beginning.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:52 PM   #4156
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Oh and here is another thing to consider: For those of us who have actively participated in the thread and offered opinions and analysis, our positions on the rules of the draft should be more heavily weighted than people who never or almost never post in the thread. Assani you yourself said that the whole idea of this was to generate discussion about the picks, and it would be pointless if all we did was pick players and there was no discussion at all. Since we are the ones who have made this thread epic, we should have more of a say in how the draft operates than people who never post except to pick.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:52 PM   #4157
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Thats not true(and it still isn't).

After we got all 40 owners and started the draft process, I didn't want to change things then because people had signed up knowing that there was no time limit. It would be unfair to those who only signed up because of the no time limit rule.

If EVERYONE agrees to have a time liimt, then that is fine.

You guys seem to think that I personally am against a time limit when I'm not. I'm just trying to be fair to everyone.

If the issue was brought up at the very beginning, then I would've done this: Made a draft with a time limit. If it didn't get enough drafters then I would've dropped the time limit to try to get more people in.

However nobody even brought it up until everyone had signed up.

Multiple people have already voted against a time limit.
I can't speak for everyone but I misread the inital timelimit (I thought it was a 24 hour timelimit for EVERY round not just the first or else I def would have brought this up before the draft started) and I have a feeling i'm not the only one who made this mistake.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:52 PM   #4158
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Thats not true(and it still isn't).

After we got all 40 owners and started the draft process, I didn't want to change things then because people had signed up knowing that there was no time limit. It would be unfair to those who only signed up because of the no time limit rule.

If EVERYONE agrees to have a time liimt, then that is fine.

You guys seem to think that I personally am against a time limit when I'm not. I'm just trying to be fair to everyone.

If the issue was brought up at the very beginning, then I would've done this: Made a draft with a time limit. If it didn't get enough drafters then I would've dropped the time limit to try to get more people in.

However nobody even brought it up until everyone had signed up.

Multiple people have already voted against a time limit.
The issue was brought up at the beginning, but never voted on. We already changed one rule without anywhere near all 40 people agreeing to it, no reason we can't again. Again, stop acting like you have the power to say all 40 people have to agree to it. Majority rules is how the last vote was treated, so precedent says majority rules should work again.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:54 PM   #4159
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The issue was brought up at the beginning, but never voted on. We already changed one rule without anywhere near all 40 people agreeing to it, no reason we can't again. Again, stop acting like you have the power to say all 40 people have to agree to it. Majority rules is how the last vote was treated, so precedent says majority rules should work again.
Agreed, if a few people have an issue with the timelimit (if it is voted on and passed), they can always leave the league and we will find owners to replace them (won't be hard). They only got to draft 1 or 2 players at most anyway so it's not like they were halfway through the draft.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:54 PM   #4160
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lol wtf????? Are you serious? The 2 people who above u didn't want a change AREN'T EVEN IN THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!! The one person who is in the draft, SAID HE WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CHANGING IT AND ADDING A TIMELIMIT IF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE FELT THAT WAY.

I want to focus on the bolded part here.....

There was a comment in the "should be do a snake/reverse snake draft" thread that I thought was really good. It came from someone not in the draft, and basically he said:

"I see that you are only letting people in the draft vote on this. I think thats a mistake and heres why:

Obviously most who benefits from a reverse snake will vote for that and most who vote for a regular snake will benefit from that. But the ones who aren't involved, they're the unbiased ones and you should pay special attention to what they say."


In the same way here....

Its not surprising to me that those who are here 10+ hours a day are the ones voting for a time limit, as obviously they're able to make the time limit. And I'd be willing to bet that those who can't make a strict time limit would vote against a time limit. However, those not involved are giving completely unbiased advice on what they think is most fair.

And if you notice....every single person not in the draft who has chimed in has said that they agree with me here.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:54 PM   #4161
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Oh and here is another thing to consider: For those of us who have actively participated in the thread and offered opinions and analysis, our positions on the rules of the draft should be more heavily weighted than people who never or almost never post in the thread. Assani you yourself said that the whole idea of this was to generate discussion about the picks, and it would be pointless if all we did was pick players and there was no discussion at all. Since we are the ones who have made this thread epic, we should have more of a say in how the draft operates than people who never post except to pick.
+1 I agree with this totally
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:55 PM   #4162
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mebenhoe,

ugh, please never roll out the 'i'm not going to, but i COULD do this because i am so powerful!' line again.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:55 PM   #4163
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mebenhoe,

i did not misinterpret, but my post was pretty awfully written. i just meant that even bothering to mention your 'power' makes you look stupid, even if in the second half of the sentence you hastily mention you would never abuse it.

it's a really good thread, it's really not taking THAT long, some people don't F5 2+2 all day, leave it as is.

fwiw i would rather wait 24 hours to see 5 paragraphs about a choice that teaches me something i didn't know than see a zzz 1 paragraph reasoning after one hour.

edit - jesus this thread is moving fast, heh
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:57 PM   #4164
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1 Steroid Boy
2 BobboFitos
3 horizon
4 RUFFNECK
5 kidcolin
6 Assani Fisher
7 BiiiigChips
8 Jack of Arcades
9 Seadood228
10 Alex
11 SHARK DOCTOR
12 LurchySoprano
13 HighStakesPro - time limit
14 Franchise 60 - time limit
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17 capone0
18 Noah
19 FaDi
20 BJLTNYK
21 EPiPeN11 - time limit
22 Victor - no time limit
23 Nicholasp27
24 Dr. Zoidberg
25 battschr
26 cowboy2579
27 mmbt0ne
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:58 PM   #4165
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The issue was brought up at the beginning, but never voted on. We already changed one rule without anywhere near all 40 people agreeing to it, no reason we can't again. Again, stop acting like you have the power to say all 40 people have to agree to it. Majority rules is how the last vote was treated, so precedent says majority rules should work again.
These two issues aren't the same thing though!

The reverse snake draft didn't affect anyones ability to be in the draft and participate.

If you put a time limit on the picks(especially <24 hours). You're risking alienating people in the draft who entered because of the lack of time limit.

I am so shocked by the turn of events in this thread. I never agree with Assani on basically anything, and always agree with MEbenhoe, yet I am just the opposite on this issue.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:59 PM   #4166
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Yeti,

You are not even involved in this thread so I don't care what you think, and yes you did misinterpret it.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:59 PM   #4167
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Thats not true(and it still isn't).

After we got all 40 owners and started the draft process, I didn't want to change things then because people had signed up knowing that there was no time limit. It would be unfair to those who only signed up because of the no time limit rule.

If EVERYONE agrees to have a time liimt, then that is fine.

You guys seem to think that I personally am against a time limit when I'm not. I'm just trying to be fair to everyone.

If the issue was brought up at the very beginning, then I would've done this: Made a draft with a time limit. If it didn't get enough drafters then I would've dropped the time limit to try to get more people in.

However nobody even brought it up until everyone had signed up.

Multiple people have already voted against a time limit.
When was the very beginning? People signed up as soon as you made the sign-up thread. I'm pretty sure that everybody signed up under the impression that it would be a snake draft, and yet we agreed to change that. Furthermore many of the people who voted to have a reverse snake draft were regulars in the thread and voted against their own interests because it would be fair to everyone. I don't think it is too much to ask that we put a time limit on the draft in order to prevent it from possibly going for days on end with no pick. Even though this will happen rarely, we're talking about possibly 10-15 picks delayed because of one person.

If someone who is an infrequent poster merely has the decency to state that they don't check the forum during x and y time periods, or that they will be unavailable until x date, like battschr did, then that is reasonable because at least then we know when to expect them back, and I wouldn't have a problem with giving them an extension since they are telling us ahead of time. It is only when someone completely disappears from the forum and doesn't say anything to anybody that this becomes an issue, because people are hanging around the thread with no idea when the person will pick, and it's a waste of everyone's time.
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:59 PM   #4168
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Assani you made it very clear you were against a time limit from the very beginning.
I made that clear because I was trying to encourage people to sign up. Do you really think I won't have all of my picks made in a very timely fashion?

What you people aren't realizing is that personal preference<<<the overall good of the draft. When you raise issues like this, inevitably(sp?) some people are going to be upset with the decisions made. The goal is to at least keep everyone somewhat happy and continuing to be in this league. Thats what I try to accomplish.

I mentioned earlier that I would love to do one of these live with a 5 minute time limit. I think that certainly proves that I'm not personally against time limits.
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I made that clear because I was trying to encourage people to sign up. Do you really think I won't have all of my picks made in a very timely fashion?

What you people aren't realizing is that personal preference<<<the overall good of the draft. When you raise issues like this, inevitably(sp?) some people are going to be upset with the decisions made. The goal is to at least keep everyone somewhat happy and continuing to be in this league. Thats what I try to accomplish.

I mentioned earlier that I would love to do one of these live with a 5 minute time limit. I think that certainly proves that I'm not personally against time limits.
Yet you blackballed me, and everyone else who signed up to join my league, when we wanted a faster timelimit and said whoever was in my league COULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN YOUR LEAGUE. SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you make a TON of sense.
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What you people aren't realizing is that personal preference<<<the overall good of the draft. When you raise issues like this, inevitably(sp?) some people are going to be upset with the decisions made. The goal is to at least keep everyone somewhat happy and continuing to be in this league. Thats what I try to accomplish.
Keeping people around in this draft who wouldn't be able to comply to a reasonable time limit isn't for the good of the draft. These are people who aren't going to contribute anything to the discussion anyways. Look at who have been the people who have caused issues so far and how much they have contributed to this thread.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:03 PM   #4171
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The issue was brought up at the beginning, but never voted on. We already changed one rule without anywhere near all 40 people agreeing to it, no reason we can't again. Again, stop acting like you have the power to say all 40 people have to agree to it. Majority rules is how the last vote was treated, so precedent says majority rules should work again.

No.

That was a rule to make things fair.

This is a rule that may prevent certain people who want to participate from participating.

Please answer these two questions:

Why do you think everyone not involved with this draft is agreeing with me?

Why did you sign up under those rules if you didn't like them.


We are not changing the time limit unless everyone agrees to. If you try to break this rule then the whole draft is going to die(you will argue that someone should be skipped and the next person will draft, I'll maintain that its there pick. They'll finally get in here only to find out that someone they wanted was picked and we'll have chaos.)

As I said to EPiPeN11, you are welcome to withdraw from this league and start your own.
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Yet you blackballed me, and everyone else who signed up to join my league, when we wanted a faster timelimit and said whoever was in my league COULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN YOUR LEAGUE. SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you make a TON of sense.
Your posting style is becoming so abrasive and whiny, it's making me disagree with you even more.
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Keeping people around in this draft who wouldn't be able to comply to a reasonable time limit isn't for the good of the draft. These are people who aren't going to contribute anything to the discussion anyways. Look at who have been the people who have caused issues so far and how much they have contributed to this thread.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:04 PM   #4174
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Oh and here is another thing to consider: For those of us who have actively participated in the thread and offered opinions and analysis, our positions on the rules of the draft should be more heavily weighted than people who never or almost never post in the thread. Assani you yourself said that the whole idea of this was to generate discussion about the picks, and it would be pointless if all we did was pick players and there was no discussion at all. Since we are the ones who have made this thread epic, we should have more of a say in how the draft operates than people who never post except to pick.
This is probably the best point made for a time limit that I've seen. Point noted.
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:05 PM   #4175
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Just wondering but has someone PMed Nicholasp27? After him we have the active people so it should go quick.
I PM'ed him last night.
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