You know, I was somewhat happy when I saw this thread had a ton of replies since I last saw it since I figured it would be some good debates about the players taken, but all the last few pages have left me with is a tremendous urge to stab people in the face and I skipped about 2/3 of Assani/Epip's exchanges.

Oh and I'm too lazy to figure out the exact wording of the questions for the Three Gods Problem, but it doesn't really seem too bad on the surface. Just qualify the hell out of your questions to eliminate the two major unknown variables (which word is yes/no and which god is Random) and it seems like you could probably knock it out in 3. Not going to sit here and figure out the questions though, don't feel like making my head hurt during summer.

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No thanks, but feel free to start your own draft with a 24 hour time limit.

arguing who is better in this league between players with different skill sets (Malone/Barkley/McHale) is almost as trivial as arguing who is better between players who play different positions.

it's all about team makeup, so as long as one of the given players is better than the others at something someone can always argue that specific attribute is more important (or simply what his team is going to be built around)

hence why mchale/billups could be a good pairing, even though i don't think Billups is even a top-10 PG in this draft.

cliff's notes: stop arguing with ePeen. although he's taking a side that's in the vast minority, i dont think you can prove anything concrete enough that would convince him of this. and yes, i think he's crazy too

I'm confused about why people think reducing the time limit to 24 hours is going to accomplish anything. We've only had one pick that has taken a long time, and I'm not even sure it hit 24 hours.........

recency bias

27-hour pick, followed by a quick pick, followed by a 18-hour (and counting) pick

Would rather have it at 12 or 18 hours even, but at least 24 sends a message that u can't disapear for days on end and have it be ok, as it's called sniping a problem before it becomes an even bigger issue (just because it has only happened once, doesn't mean it won't happen again especially since the draft isn't even 1/5th done).

Now someone tell me what the DOWNSIDE of NOT having at least a 24 hour rule is?

Holy ****, you guys are impatient. I was very clear that this was a slow paced draft. I personally have no problem if some picks take TWO WEEKS. I'm in no hurry and I'd much rather debate than speed through a draft. The point of this draft is to cause debate, and I want to focus on that. Go play some poker/surf the net/look at porn/go out of the house and come back in a few days and I'm sure some progress will have been made.

LOL@ thinking that a time limit is going to make people pick within 1/4 of that time limit. And you didn't pick 15 hours; You started a 24 hour time limit draft which you changed at other's requests. If this draft had a 24 hour time limit, then people would use those 24 hours for sure.

A 12 hour time limit is kind of silly. That basically says you can't spend an entire day away from your computer during this entire draft, which is likely to last a couple of weeks.

18 hours makes more sense though.

1. So we're right about on the pace you'd like. Glad to hear it.

2. A few posters are slower than others. I would rather have 40 owners and have a few slow ones than have 20 owners who are all really quick.

3. Its the weekend. A lot of people work normal jobs and only check online forums while they're at work.

There will be plenty of discussion AFTER the draft is done (this is where the majority of discussion should be anyway). And OMG we can actually name every player too, creating better discussion, since they would have all been drafted by then.

There will be plenty/better discussion during the draft as well, if we make more picks per day than we have been (as long as its not like 20 picks in a day on average, somewhere around 10 picks a day seems perfect). As you can see, the discussion died down once the picking of players died down. We don't need 2 weeks to discuss players, infact even a day between picks is farrrrrrrrr too long as u can see from the LACK of discussion.

ya but everyone else has a huge problem with this.

Even if I had a time limit after round one, THE TIME LIMIT HAS NEVER BEEN BROKEN ONCE. I honestly can't believe your logic here.

Looks like everyone so far is against u Assani (sound familar?). And who is the one being stubburn now?

The questions you have to ask are extremely complex actually.

Where are the Sun's homers and acolytes of Nash Head to bash this?

I'm sorry, but I can't think of a PG in the NBA right now that makes the pick'n'roll bounce pass better than Nash, with either hand, off the dribble or not. And that's not a trivial pass to make, otherwise you'd see it a lot more.

Anyway, as to the Epi debate, I actually mostly agree with him, but the homerism is ridiculous.

McHale is a better player than Amare no doubt, but it's not because of offense. And while his great defense certainly has a lot of value in this format, an offensive black hole is similarly less valuable.

I think that, while in general the teams are going to be about as deep as a regular NBA team, there are a lot more good bigman defenders spread throughout the draft than exist in the NBA at any 1 time. Low-post iso's with a guy who can't pass is NOT the way I'd go about running an offense, even if he could handle the task better than anyone else (except Shaq, who probably WAS good enough to do this). See how the good the Spurs look when NO doubles Duncan? That's because Duncan is great at passing out of the double, not just putting the moves on in the post.

And just reading this thread, I've come up with a lot of tasty ideas about ways to better analyze rebounding, but I find it very doubtful that when I run the numbers, Barkley is going to look any less dominant on the boards relative to KM.

Epip:

WTF are you talking about??? Only ONE pick in this entire draft would have been changed time limit wise, and only by 3 hours.

EDIT: I'm not saying a 24 hour time limit doesn't have merit. But acting as if a 24 hour time limit somehow changes things makes no sense.

Trust me, if anyone greatly abuses the no time limit rule(for example, taking over 2 days or taking over 24 hours on multiple picks without having a good explanation) then I'll have a private chat with them via PM and decide if they should belong in the draft. However, I'm not going to start freaking out everytime someone uses a portion of the proposed time limit like you guys are....its ridiculous how impatient you're acting(not you in particular).

Not true, when people would be picking once every 10 days (6 hours per pick, 40 picks) on average. Shouldn't be too tough to spend like one of your waking hours on SE during that day, but I guess I have more extra time than most.

Obviously I'd prefer a time limit on picks because I'm a 2p2 whore, but I don't think it's necessary.

This is why I want a 12 or at least 18 hour time limit. Even a 24 hour time limit DOES change things (wtf at it not changing anything, are u actually serious??????????????), because it won't allow anyone to take over 24 hours. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING ONLY HAPPENED ONCE DOESN'T MEAN SOMEONE CAN'T JUST RUN OFF FOR 2-3 DAYS AND NOT MAKE A PICK. (sorry for caps, but it's hard getting my point across to some of u).

wtf? Have you not just been in a huge 3 page debate? Lags in the draft cause more debate. When there were a lot of picks in a row, there was a lot of "yea decent pick" and then moving onto the next pick.

Epi, if you were so high on McHale, why were you trying to trade everyone in the top 10 for their picks? For some reason I think you'd be defending any pick that you made to the death... So I'm going to call BS on this.

But the picks don't average every 6 hours. They seem to come in bursts, depending on when the slower picks are made.

I mean, I hear what you're saying. But 12 hours is still silly. 18 hours would be fine. 24 hours would also be fine.

1. Obvioulsy I'm exaggerating. As I said, if a drafter is making us wait too long for no good reason then I will have a private talk via PM with him. However notice I said "for no good reason." If someone's reason is "I never check the internet during the weekend" then thats perfectly acceptable imo.

2. I was EXTREMELY CLEAR FROM THE START ON THE RULES. I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you didn't like the rules then you either should have not joined or brought it up before we even began anything.