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ok that was actually really funny, I laughed.

Yeah 11.7 for career vs 7.3 for career.

Also 11.5 vs 8.5 per 36 minutes.

Also 12.5/23.7 Oreb/Dreb% vs 9.2/16.9. Yeah they're both about even.

[x] Round Mound of Rebound

Ya let's just ignore the fact that McHale played with 2 of the best rebounders in the history of the game, and Barkley played with much worse rebounders.

And lol at u putting words into my mouth again, implying that I said they were even when I clearly said multiple times in this thread that Barkley was a better rebounder.

Nice.

And I think the reason Epipen is prattling on and on about McHale is because he doesn't pick again until #140 (by which time everyone everyone in the top 20 will have made three more picks).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Har...ic_Puzzle_Ever

It has the answer apparently, so don't get spoiled.

I realize that there's more of a premium on defense because of the offensive potency of the early players in this draft, but people are seriously overrating the importance of defense in this draft. Sure, it's important. But, offensive efficiency is extremely important as well.

Of course offensive effciency is very important. That's a good part of the reason I drafted McHale, he is imo the 2nd most efficent player of all time when consistantly creating his own shot in this draft.

Just wondering but has someone PMed Nicholasp27? After him we have the active people so it should go quick.

I don't think Nash is a bad passer or decision maker at all. What I was saying was that I think people overrate how much better Nash is at those things compared to other PGs. I didn't want to name drop too much, so I'll just give you one example of a player who isn't going to be drafted any time soon: For pure court vision and passing ability, a guy like Jason Williams is just as good as Nash imo. Hell, every PG is very good at finding the open man and getting the ball to him. Thats what makes them PGs. If they couldn't do that they'd be moved to the 2 or be an score first PG(like Barbosa).

What makes Nash great is his shooting combined with PG skills. I don't think throwing an accurate alley oop or an accurate chest pass is that tough of a skill for any NBA PG. Of course some PGs like Nash/Kidd/Paul will go above and beyond and make some crazy passes that really make you go "wow." However those type of passes happen maybe once per game and only make up maybe 2 or 3% of Amare's baskets(I say this because we're discussing how Amare would do with a normal PG).

BTW I think Kidd is a better pure passer than Nash, but thats another argument for another time.

Nearly everyone in this thread has disagreed with your love of McHale, and I can't think of one person that has agreed with you. I'm not talking about the 5 or 6 guys disagreeing with you right now; I'm talking about throughout the entire thread. And many of them have seen McHale play.

Please show me one time where I was ever being told I was wrong by everyone in the thread, yet I refused to believe it and kept saying that I had insight that went beyond that stats(that apparently nobody else has).

2nd most efficient? Come on now.

Pls no more McHale talk. This topic has been discussed thoroughly. There is nothing more to say. Agree to disagree. A whale's vagina.

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I'm not sure I'm understanding this either. This draft does have a much bigger player pool than the NBA at any give time in real life. However this league also has 40 owners. And this league doesn't have any rebuilding teams(Bobcats) or teams that are just horribly managed(Knicks). These factors even out imo and make our league very similar to real life NBA. Why do you think defense is more important in our league than in real life?

There are plenty of people out there on message boards etc. that think McHale was better than either Barkley/Malone or both and this is when comparing their career's too which I don't even believe. People don't realize the rules, we are cloning these players at age 24, not basing it strictly on what exact stats they put up/how long they played etc. which actually helps McHale.

And just because the majority of people think something, it doesn't make it automatically right. Heck, just look at the Boston 3 sports teams thread. Everyone was arguing about the odds, and flaming me etc. and my odds turned out to be wayyyyyy more correct than everyone who was arguing against me.

Who is more efficent while creating their own shot?

I can't believe that you're still arguing this point. Can't you see than a clone of Kevin McHale before he hurt his foot is not > Sir Charles or the Mailman? There is no way that McHale is better than either of those two.

lol at using that thread as a way to show how you're always "right".

No I can't.

Again, people putting words into my mouth. I never said that I am always right, I just said that just because a lot of people are against u in an argument doesn't make THEM always right.

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u brought it up earlier in either this thread or another where u used it to evaluate defensive players because it was the best tool we had. I'm too lazy to find the link, but will do so if u deny it.

So I take it that you can't ever remember one time in which everyone in the thread told me I was wrong and I didn't change my view, correct? And thanks for bringing up yet another thread where you did the same thing(and I fully disagree with you that you were correct, lol...but I'm not going to argue that anymore).

"People don't realize the rules"
WTF? Do you think we're a bunch of third graders or something? Contrary to what you might think, there are a lot of intelligent people out there perfectly capable of understanding basic rules and applying them. Its funny how when the majority disagree with you, you just adopt this "well everyone else is an idiot" type of stance. I probably had the same type of attitude before I went to college, but as I grew up I realized how immature it was and how it actually hurt my intellectual development. I guess you havn't realized that yet.