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Old 05-17-2008, 03:08 PM   #3676
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Question: What NBA rules are being used? Current rules? I think Jordan could have scored 40+ ppg in the current rules that make it so easy for star slasher types. In the 90's you could hand check and do things that would be called for fouls in today's game. In an era where gilbert arenas can score 29 ppg, I can't imagine what Jordan would have done.
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:16 PM   #3677
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wait you don't think those teams were painful to watch?
I don't think they had trouble selling out MSG every night.

I also don't think we will be running a "fun to watch" simulation for this draft, so I don't really understand your point.

Ewing/Nance is sick.
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:32 PM   #3678
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Question: What NBA rules are being used? Current rules? I think Jordan could have scored 40+ ppg in the current rules that make it so easy for star slasher types. In the 90's you could hand check and do things that would be called for fouls in today's game. In an era where gilbert arenas can score 29 ppg, I can't imagine what Jordan would have done.
you are seriously underestimating how good gilbert was that season
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:47 PM   #3679
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i dont really get why people think ewing/nance is clearly the best team thus far. and i watched pretty much all of both of their careers.

they will def not be league best in attendance as ewing teams are absolutely painful to watch.
Larry Nance will sell tickets.
And everybody come to see the best team in the league
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:58 PM   #3680
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you are seriously underestimating how good gilbert was that season
I don't have all the more modern stats at my fingertips (TS%, PER, etc..) but I do know that Jordan shot 52-54% from the field in his prime vs. 43-45% for Arenas at his peak (which was shorter lived so far, jury still out). In an era with much tougher rules for a wing scorer, I can't see how you can say that Jordan wouldn't tear up the league with current rules. Just about every other contender in the Jordan era was built around a center (Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson) or a 4 with a good point guard (Malone/Stockton, Barkley, Kemp/Payton).

Rules were tweaked earlier in the decade that opened up the game, making it easier for scoring wings like Kobe, McGrady, Carter, Pierce, Wade, LeBron, and Arenas.

All I'm saying is that Jordan's career high was 37 ppg, but under current rules he could have hit 40+.

I don't think guys like arenas would be as effective if for example, the guards on the early 90's knicks were allowed to hand check all day.

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Old 05-17-2008, 04:05 PM   #3681
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Yea, the Knicks could never sell out MSG in the 90s.
umm, dont the knicks sell out with crawford and a bunch of fatasses?
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:08 PM   #3682
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someone correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't the zone rules changed drastically a couple years back? isn't that the sorta thing that wouldn't allow someone like jordan to get as many easy baskets as he did (see: what's happening to LBJ against a good defense). i would NEVER argue that gilbert (or anyone else except maybe LBJ in the future) is in MJ's class (kobe's like 90 cents on the dollar IMO), but this is the sorta thing that might've hurt him. then again, he probably would've gotten to the line 40824409 times in the modern game.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:08 PM   #3683
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to those complaining about the lack of pick,

relax, it's been 20 hours. even if we had a 24 hour rule he still wouldn't have been obliged to pick. IMO we give him until tonight and then re-examine. personally i don't mind waiting, i just wish the conversation was more constructive.
agree, we essentially wait another ~4ish hours, then move to the next pick, and knock him down until he logs back on... right?
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:11 PM   #3684
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someone correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't the zone rules changed drastically a couple years back? isn't that the sorta thing that wouldn't allow someone like jordan to get as many easy baskets as he did (see: what's happening to LBJ against a good defense). i would NEVER argue that gilbert (or anyone else except maybe LBJ in the future) is in MJ's class (kobe's like 90 cents on the dollar IMO), but this is the sorta thing that might've hurt him. then again, he probably would've gotten to the line 40824409 times in the modern game.
they drastically changed the illegal defense rules. pretty sure bostons defense of lebron would have been illegal a few years back.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:11 PM   #3685
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agree, we essentially wait another ~4ish hours, then move to the next pick, and knock him down until he logs back on... right?
I feel like I should say yes, but I'm not sure I would even want to do that. It really depends on how much we could get done, but even if we look at it like that (say 5 guys are ready with their picks), that hurts battschr even more than if there's only one guy ready (obviously but yanno..)
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:15 PM   #3686
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Best thread ever.

Sry for dumb question, never been in these fantasy league things but how is the winner determined?
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:15 PM   #3687
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i say we just wait until monday. weve already waited 24hrs, no big deal to wait longer.

we should emphasis that such lack of commitment is completely unacceptable tho.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:16 PM   #3688
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Best thread ever.

Sry for dumb question, never been in these fantasy league things but how is the winner determined?
i think thats the beauty of it.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:17 PM   #3689
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Best thread ever.

Sry for dumb question, never been in these fantasy league things but how is the winner determined?
we haven't really determined that, some ideas are being tossed around here though

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i say we just wait until monday. weve already waited 24hrs, no big deal to wait longer.

we should emphasis that such lack of commitment is completely unacceptable tho.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:19 PM   #3690
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I don't agree with the "we've already waited 24 hrs". Just bump him back, he picks whenever he gets back, and lets keep moving with people behind him.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:22 PM   #3691
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after him we have dr. zoidberg and nicholasap, who have a combined 7 posts in this thread...not sure how active they are on 2p2 though
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:25 PM   #3692
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Best thread ever.

Sry for dumb question, never been in these fantasy league things but how is the winner determined?
We're going to find the winner by doing a long, careful analysis to determine exactly which participant has Michael Jordan. Then that guy wins.

Clark will probably get a booby prize for owning the draft so hard, but then he'll have it taken away for exposing top secret Karl Malone too early.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:25 PM   #3693
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umm, dont the knicks sell out with crawford and a bunch of fatasses?
They were 15th in attendance % this season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attend...8&seasonType=2
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:32 PM   #3694
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They were 15th in attendance % this season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attend...8&seasonType=2
still they sold 96.6% of their tickets...how on earth do the mavericks sell 105.2% of their tickets???

also, lol @ the nets selling 78% at home and then 91% on the road...great fans
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:42 PM   #3695
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What happens when the 24 hours is up? Does it become a mad dash to the podium like when the Vikings didn't get a pick in on time, or do we keep waiting?
24 hours were for the first round only. I will give him a reasonable a few days to pick. If he takes over a day to pick then I'll PM him privately and ask him what happened. If I don't get the feel that he'll be improving on his pick time then I'll ask him to step down.

Also as I said, it wasn't a big deal because we trust Clark, but if you trade again please confirm it in the thread.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:44 PM   #3696
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Round 2, pick 53.

Larry Nance, PF







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The High-Ayatolla of Slamola


Want slam dunk first round value in the mid 2nd round? The winner is Larry Nance.

The Phoenix Suns first round draft pick in 1981 retired at age 34 as the all time NBA non-center blocks leader. The first big man to win the dunk contest, he upset the legendary Dr. J in 1984 to burst upon the NBA scene, earning the nickname "The High-Ayatolla of Slamola".



Not only known for his blocks at the PF position and crowd pleasing game, the three-time All Star was first team NBA all defence once and 2nd team another two times. Truly a tremendous two way player who was recognized not only for his high flying acrobatics, but also his stalwart defense at the PF position, with occassional stints at center. This versatile stud also played SF in Cleveland when necessary, with a tremendous combination of size and agility that allowed him to become the prototype for the Kevin Garnett/Chris Bosh types that would follow.

An incredibly efficient offensive scorer who in addition to his inside game had an incredibly polished midrange game. His career FG% of 54.6% is top 10 for players eligible for this draft. His PER was 19.0 or higher for 11 straight years, including every season he played except for his rookie year and his final year.



Conventional stats? He's essentially a 20pt, 9 reb, 3 assist, 1 steal, 2.5 block per game guy for the preponderance of his career, including a paltry 2 turnovers/game to complement his near 55% shooting from the floor and quality 77% from the FT line.

On the court, he helped turn the Cavaliers into title contenders and was among the first of many hard-luck stars to run into the Michael Jordan machine.

Better defense than Gasol, a better version of Chris Bosh who doesn't lack inside toughness, and more versatile than Elton Brand. This guy is a power forward whose midrange game complements Ewing in the low block, and who will cement an interior defense that is among the very best in this new league. Patrick Ewing, one of the all-time great centers coupled with the efficient, high flying and elite PF shot blocker Larry Nance will help anchor this team as we build from the inside-out.

Team so far:
Patrick Ewing 7'0" - C
Larry Nance 6'10"- PF
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:45 PM   #3697
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We're going to find the winner by doing a long, careful analysis to determine exactly which participant has Michael Jordan. Then that guy wins.
Pretty much.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:47 PM   #3698
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Knicks games also have way less people in the stands this season then the attendance figures.

Regardless, MSG was sold out for like 400 plus games straight until this season iirc. The whole point of this is that if you win with an ugly style, you will still sell out if you have a semi legit fan base.

The Knicks might be an extreme example since MSG is usually full regardless, but they were used because Ewing and those ugly Knicks teams were brought up. You can't say omg who would want to watch that ugly basketball with Ewing and then total ignore the fact that MSG was a sick environment during those times and always full.
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:47 PM   #3699
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I hope the draft gets back to me tonight....otherwise it might be hard for me to get the pick in before Saturday.
He is going to pick today based on this.
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someone correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't the zone rules changed drastically a couple years back? isn't that the sorta thing that wouldn't allow someone like jordan to get as many easy baskets as he did (see: what's happening to LBJ against a good defense). i would NEVER argue that gilbert (or anyone else except maybe LBJ in the future) is in MJ's class (kobe's like 90 cents on the dollar IMO), but this is the sorta thing that might've hurt him. then again, he probably would've gotten to the line 40824409 times in the modern game.
I think the "no hand checking" rule changes would've helped Jordan more than the illegal defense changes would've hurt. I mean, he was already triple teamed on every play, so what's the difference there.
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