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Old 05-16-2008, 11:22 PM   #3551
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I really don't feel like it dude. We've been through this all before. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I CAN SAY TO EVER MAKE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND. If I thought there was a chance you'd change your mind, then I'd give it a go but its just pointless.

At this point I'm honestly much more interested in getting into the mind of a homer than actually debating with you whether you are one or not. Honest question: Do you think we all are biased against Boston sports? Do you think its just a coincidence that you and I seem to agree on 90% of things non-Boston related but on 0% of things Boston related? Do you think I in particular am biased against Boston? These things fascinate me....
I posted something similar to this an hour ago Assani. Then he re-torted, well most people are idiots.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:23 PM   #3552
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tbach,

looks like you just got yourself a coach. lol dumbass

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Old 05-16-2008, 11:23 PM   #3553
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Glad to see KKF trolling this thread. No knowledge of basketball obv. Probably watches 5'6" Korean centers in pick up games all day.
lol
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:24 PM   #3554
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KC, delete goooooo
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:24 PM   #3555
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Best white guy available plz

OK but seriously I'll slap you silly
So does that mean I have the green light? You know I'll kick ass for you, yo.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:28 PM   #3556
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KC, delete goooooo
is this going to be the thing to do now? Make posts that blatantly break the rules and then delete and be all like "omg punked loosen the sphincter tightass!"? Cuz f that noise.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:30 PM   #3557
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So does that mean I have the green light? You know I'll kick ass for you, yo.
in all honesty you're a favorite to pick better than me, but that's no fun now is it? Besides I already know who I'm picking and he's guaranteed to be available as I'm reaching him a good 4 rounds
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:35 PM   #3558
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is this going to be the thing to do now? Make posts that blatantly break the rules and then delete and be all like "omg punked loosen the sphincter tightass!"? Cuz f that noise.
umm...no i was a ******, went back and deleted it, then thought you would had quoted me so asked you to delete it to, which you did...so uh yeah
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:40 PM   #3559
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I posted something similar to this an hour ago Assani. Then he re-torted, well most people are idiots.
Which makes no sense since HE AGREES WITH US most of the time when we're not talking about Boston.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:43 PM   #3560
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BTW I'd just like to point out how wrong all of the "OMG Assani isn't putting a time limit on this thing, its gonna be way too slow!!!" posts were. I told you all I knew what I was doing.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:46 PM   #3561
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Epi is funny. He makes a lot of good points, and McHale was an awesome pick, and he's right about a lot of it, but he also goes flying over the homer cliff, and it's doubly amusing as half the people he's arguing with are Boston homers as well.

So now, back to my Bynum mancrush, somebody give me a list of players who looked as good as Bynum for half a season and then flamed out with no real good reason. Everyone keeps bringing up sample size, but how many dunks do you guys need to see before you realize that he can make that shot?
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:46 PM   #3562
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wtf its been waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy toooooo long.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:48 PM   #3563
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Assani,

You did real good.

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Old 05-16-2008, 11:54 PM   #3564
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Epi is funny. He makes a lot of good points, and McHale was an awesome pick, and he's right about a lot of it, but he also goes flying over the homer cliff, and it's doubly amusing as half the people he's arguing with are Boston homers as well.

So now, back to my Bynum mancrush, somebody give me a list of players who looked as good as Bynum for half a season and then flamed out with no real good reason. Everyone keeps bringing up sample size, but how many dunks do you guys need to see before you realize that he can make that shot?

#1. But Bynum has a good reason to flame out- he suffered a serious injury and has had several setbacks in his comeback attempt. Do you really need a list of guys that have been killed by injuries?

#2. Bynum had 20+ points in 5 games this year. He had 10+ rebounds in 20 games this year. He never had 5 assists. Thats not that amazing! You're acting as if his "half year stats" were awesome but they were: 13.1 points, 10.2 rebounds, and 1.7 assists. Are you really saying that nobody else has ever put up 13.1/10.2/1.7 and then gone on to not be a top 50 player of the past 25 years(because by drafting him so highly thats what the drafter is banking on happening)?

#3. Bynum put up maybe a 10 or 12 game stretch before he got hurt where he was playing in such a way that you'd think he had superstar potential. Thats not even close to half a season's worth of games.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:55 PM   #3565
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its been nearly 12 hrs since battshr signed on. i dont think we can include someone with such little commitment to 2p2. get the pitchforks.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:55 PM   #3566
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Assani,

You did real good.

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Clark,

I love it when you write me short messages and personalize them.

Keep your head up high and aim for the stars,

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Old 05-16-2008, 11:57 PM   #3567
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So now, back to my Bynum mancrush, somebody give me a list of players who looked as good as Bynum for half a season and then flamed out with no real good reason. Everyone keeps bringing up sample size, but how many dunks do you guys need to see before you realize that he can make that shot?
It's not "flaming out for no real reason" that worries. It's injuries.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:57 PM   #3568
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acutally i think its been nearly 24 hrs. so sick bro.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:58 PM   #3569
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Finally someone with sense to take Sheeeeeeeed. Am I wrong?
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:00 AM   #3570
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It's not "flaming out for no real reason" that worries. It's injuries.
It's injuries, longevity and legit questions about ultimate ceiling. There are tons of guys who are gonna be picked soon who had insane ceilings in their early years who couldn't sustain. Malone is the exception, not the rule.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:00 AM   #3571
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pickpickpickpickpickpickpickpickpickpickpickpickpi ckpickpick
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:10 AM   #3572
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stuff like "McHale wouldn't be popular if he weren't white" is obv trolling. It's like Isiah saying Bird would be just another player if he were white. The data is pretty conclusive. McHale was ****ing awesome. 40 other NBA fanatics lauded the pick. But yeah just racist crackas is why he's in the HOF.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:11 AM   #3573
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Worse than Isiah?

COME ON ONE TIME
Dude, the Bynum pick is hands down the worst pick in the draft. It's in its own league of terrible.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:13 AM   #3574
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#1. But Bynum has a good reason to flame out- he suffered a serious injury and has had several setbacks in his comeback attempt. Do you really need a list of guys that have been killed by injuries?
I've already acknowledged this 100 times. IF. IF. IF.

Clark, among others, have spoken repeatedly about players like him who have just flamed out or never reached their potential for whatever reason. THAT's the list I want; not a list of guys who got hurt.

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#2. Bynum had 20+ points in 5 games this year. He had 10+ rebounds in 20 games this year. He never had 5 assists. Thats not that amazing! You're acting as if his "half year stats" were awesome but they were: 13.1 points, 10.2 rebounds, and 1.7 assists. Are you really saying that nobody else has ever put up 13.1/10.2/1.7 and then gone on to not be a top 50 player of the past 25 years(because by drafting him so highly thats what the drafter is banking on happening)?

#3. Bynum put up maybe a 10 or 12 game stretch before he got hurt where he was playing in such a way that you'd think he had superstar potential. Thats not even close to half a season's worth of games.
His numbers aren't as good because he didn't start until Kwame got hurt. If you look at his gamelog from when he became the starter, it's domination after domination with a few key exceptions (BOS/SA/ORL and a game against Denver where he was hospitalized with a stomach virus but had to play because Turiaf got a concussion). The Lakers starting lineup with him was like +19pts/100. He DUNKED ON EVERYONE (except bos/sa/orl). Can you find me examples of anyone destroying Amare the way he did?

Look, I'm not justifying the pick based on the whole picture. He's clearly an injury risk, and who knows what'll happen when he comes back. But, if you want to gambooooollll and make a pick that has a chance to look amazing in 6 months, go for it!

I'm not buying the "OMG SAMPLE SIZE" argument because the things he did don't really require running good. High FG% isn't a fluke when half of your baskets are dunks, unless you think he's suddenly start jamming it off the front of the rim.

I really think he is underrated because the Lakers were only beginning to enter the spotlight when he went down. Everybody looks at the Pau trade and thinks it's the key to the season. It might be, but only because of the injury. IMO, the Lakers were better with Bynum, and I've watched every single Laker game this year.

They are going to be absolutely loaded next year, and given the offensive system the Lakers run, I really don't see any reason why all the pieces won't fit together nicely. This is why Timmy et al need to get their **** together and win this year to close out the dynasty, because it's all over once LA is full-strength.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:15 AM   #3575
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Clark, among others, have spoken repeatedly about players like him who have just flamed out or never reached their potential for whatever reason. THAT's the list I want; not a list of guys who got hurt.
They'll get picked in this draft. Trust me. There are guys who looked better than Carmelo who haven't been picked yet. I'll note them. The premium being placed on current players in early-mid 20's is sick and insane.
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