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Old 05-16-2008, 09:26 PM   #3476
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huh? are you saying ben was the worst player on that championship team? No. Not at all. All 5 guys they start are good, but at THAT point in time, Ben Wallace was the defensive anchor and incredible. Chauncey was their best all around guy, and they sorta ran the offense through rip.
Sheed is a character and a great/good player etc, but I dont think anyoen thought he was the best player on that team. (throughout the year this year I postulated he was their best player, but he's really not - it's chauncey's team)
I think you can make a case for any of these 3 being the best. IMO its Chauncey, Rasheed, Ben - but what made the team good was the high mean value of the defense on the squad. All of them have their offensive faults, but they cover them with complimenting players and excellent D.

I like GP better than Chauncey obviously (better defender & playmaker, worse shooter), since I did take GP over him. I'm pretty happy to get Rasheed to compliment GP, the same way he complimented Chauncey during their finals & championship years. We'll see who drops to me in the 3rd.

I think I had a very good first 2 rounds here. GP pick was universally praised, some mixed to good reviews on the Rasheed pick. I think Clark is pretty clearly winning at this point tho.

I liked Bosh the best when it was coming back to me and I was considering Pau as well, along w/ Rasheed. I thought those were solid picks, did not like the Bynum pick, thought Joe Dumars went too high. Pretty solid drafting for the most part tho - that sneaky f'ing Clark with who was it now? idk.. i'll be the only person to admit that ive never heard of him. The you tube was sick tho, plus nice career stats.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:27 PM   #3477
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Never said that obv (funny how when you guys realize u could be wrong u try to poke fun at someone), but he is right behind Duncan and is the 2nd best PF in this era's draft (unless you call Duncan a center, in which case McHale is the best PF).
I'd say the guy who was All-NBA 1st team 11 times is better than the guy who was All-NBA once.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:28 PM   #3478
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love the analogy and pretty good.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:29 PM   #3479
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I'd say the guy who was All-NBA 1st team 11 times is better than the guy who was All-NBA once.
Yea way to ignore everything I said. This isn't a draft on career achievements, it's a draft based on if u cloned someone at age 24, who would have a better career/team etc.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:30 PM   #3480
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the thing about bynum is if u like him so much u can easily get him later in the draft. i dont mind drafting bynum bc theres like 10% chance he becomes dominant.

drafter could be laughing in our faces in 8 years. when sporting events forum is split like 6 times into small, mid and high and nl and limit.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:32 PM   #3481
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Epipen

You said something about a five-second rule that the NBA made which was bad for Barkley, do you know what this rule was called? I assume you're not talking about three-in-the-key, that's been around forever.
I think the rule is literally called the "5 seconds back to the basket" rule.

Also, +1 echoing assani's statements about epipen. I hate his posts when he discusses boston or boston players (AND I AM A BOSTON HOMER TOO!) but really love his posts about everything else. Worst homer ever, worse then dschm even.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:32 PM   #3482
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Yea way to ignore everything I said. This isn't a draft on career achievements, it's a draft based on if u cloned someone at age 24, who would have a better career/team etc.
everythign you said doesnt make him better and obviously a ton of people in this draft dont agree with you buddy boy.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:33 PM   #3483
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Yeah, they were all very good, but everyone always talks about how Rasheed is the leader and the go-to guy and the reason they are so inconsistent, while Big Ben went from being underrated to overrated to underrated again now that he has been fairly easily replaced. Even in your post it's not clear where you stand on this. I do think Ben is the worst of the five. His defense was amazing, but every one of them was at least good defensively so it's tough to argue for him when he is useless on the other end of the court.
alex, i dont think you understand just how good ben wallace was in his his peak defensively. as good as KG was this year, that is ben wallace on those pistons teams. also, saying rip is a pos defender is a joke, he is their weak link.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:34 PM   #3484
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Can someone explain the ramifications of this rule? When and why was it created? Why would someone dribble with their bac to the basket for so long instead of holding the ball with a live dribble (triple threat)?
its to disallow someone literally gettign the ball and backing down their opponent for an entire possession.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:36 PM   #3485
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I think the rule is literally called the "5 seconds back to the basket" rule.

Also, +1 echoing assani's statements about epipen. I hate his posts when he discusses boston or boston players (AND I AM A BOSTON HOMER TOO!) but really love his posts about everything else. Worst homer ever, worse then dschm even.
You brought this up already once, and I told u and everyone else who called me a homer to name a few, or even 1 homerish things I have said ever. You guys didn't, and I said this multiple times. And please don't bring up the McHale thing which happened before u and Assani originally made ur statements (And the McHale isn't being a homer anyway, because if based on life achievement awards/stats McHale obv isn't better than any of the PF's taken before him, but if we are cloning a player at age 24 (which we are doing in this draft) he def is except for Duncan but he is prob a center anyway).
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:38 PM   #3486
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everythign you said doesnt make him better and obviously a ton of people in this draft dont agree with you buddy boy.
That's fine, most people think they are good at poker/other things in life aren't usually right either.

I've realized a while ago that 90+ percent of Americans are stupid anyway.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:38 PM   #3487
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You brought this up already once, and I told u and everyone else who called me a homer to name a few, or even 1 homerish things I have said ever. You guys didn't, and I said this multiple times. And please don't bring up the McHale thing which happened before u and Assani originally made ur statements (And the McHale isn't being a homer anyway, because if based on life achievement awards/stats McHale obv isn't better than any of the PF's taken before him, but if we are cloning a player at age 24 he def is except for Duncan but he is prob a center anyway).
the reason we dont is it's a waste of time / exercise in futility. and it would lead to frustration. but, i will start to point out things in the future. (the most recent thing to mind is the praise of perkin's defense, calling him as good/better then kg, which is just insane)
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:40 PM   #3488
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the reason we dont is it's a waste of time / exercise in futility. and it would lead to frustration. but, i will start to point out things in the future. (the most recent thing to mind is the praise of perkin's defense, calling him as good/better then kg, which is just insane)
ok sure thing
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anyway i'm going to watch the Celtics game (have been paying way too much attention to this thread), i'll respond after the game sometime.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:41 PM   #3490
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That's fine, most people think they are good at poker/other things in life aren't usually right either.

I've realized a while ago that 90+ percent of Americans are stupid anyway.
you can't be wrong....as I said it's fruitless to argue with you.

do you honestly think McHale should have been a top 10 / top 15 pick? you can think everyone on this board is an idiot, but it might be you.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:42 PM   #3491
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*ahem* I'm in second (among ppl that have drafted 2 rounds), after clark right now.

agree/disagree?
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:43 PM   #3492
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*ahem* I'm in second (among ppl that have drafted 2 rounds), after clark right now.

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again all this stuff is silly before we see other starters, but i actually like your team the best right now. but, like flavor of the month, it changes daily. (err...)
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:46 PM   #3493
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i heard a first place vote, that makes 2 first place votes for me
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:48 PM   #3494
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Ok need to respond to all the hate im getting for the bynum pick.


I am not building a team of the best basketball players available at the best pick !

I am building a TEAM that I think will have the best chance at being a successfull franchise and winning as many championships as possible.

Drafting people like Carmelo Anthony, Dominique wilkings, amare stoudimire, are not gonan help you win championships.

Bynum fits very well with wade, and is very helpfull to team sucess because of the style of ball player he is. His effectiveness doesnt rely on having the basketball, which all of the above mentioned players need.

Most everyone in this draft is using stat based drafting, while I am using a total different scheme in putting my team together, its gonna be interesting to see how my team is going to compare with others.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:52 PM   #3495
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you can't be wrong....as I said it's fruitless to argue with you.

do you honestly think McHale should have been a top 10 / top 15 pick? you can think everyone on this board is an idiot, but it might be you.
Yes McHale should have been a top 10-15 pick.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:54 PM   #3496
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Ok need to respond to all the hate im getting for the bynum pick.


I am not building a team of the best basketball players available at the best pick !

I am building a TEAM that I think will have the best chance at being a successfull franchise and winning as many championships as possible.

Drafting people like Carmelo Anthony, Dominique wilkings, amare stoudimire, are not gonan help you win championships.

Bynum fits very well with wade, and is very helpfull to team sucess because of the style of ball player he is. His effectiveness doesnt rely on having the basketball, which all of the above mentioned players need.

Most everyone in this draft is using stat based drafting, while I am using a total different scheme in putting my team together, its gonna be interesting to see how my team is going to compare with others.
That might be the case but if you can get him in latter rounds and get better players now why not? I have a feeling he would have been available next round while 30 or so guys are not going to be available when you pick next.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:54 PM   #3497
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Ok need to respond to all the hate im getting for the bynum pick.


I am not building a team of the best basketball players available at the best pick !

I am building a TEAM that I think will have the best chance at being a successfull franchise and winning as many championships as possible.

Drafting people like Carmelo Anthony, Dominique wilkings, amare stoudimire, are not gonan help you win championships.

Bynum fits very well with wade, and is very helpfull to team sucess because of the style of ball player he is. His effectiveness doesnt rely on having the basketball, which all of the above mentioned players need.

Most everyone in this draft is using stat based drafting, while I am using a total different scheme in putting my team together, its gonna be interesting to see how my team is going to compare with others.
you're plan might be good, but try to base you a little more on game played/season, it can be a usefull stat.
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Yes McHale should have been a top 10-15 pick.
So a 1 time all-nba player should have been picked over a ton of 5x+ time guys......very interesting.
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Ok need to respond to all the hate im getting for the bynum pick.


I am not building a team of the best basketball players available at the best pick !

I am building a TEAM that I think will have the best chance at being a successfull franchise and winning as many championships as possible.

Drafting people like Carmelo Anthony, Dominique wilkings, amare stoudimire, are not gonan help you win championships.

Bynum fits very well with wade, and is very helpfull to team sucess because of the style of ball player he is. His effectiveness doesnt rely on having the basketball, which all of the above mentioned players need.

Most everyone in this draft is using stat based drafting, while I am using a total different scheme in putting my team together, its gonna be interesting to see how my team is going to compare with others.
LOL sample size IMO
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So a 1 time all-nba player should have been picked over a ton of 5x+ time guys......very interesting.
Well since I have already explained why he only had 1 great season about 10 times in this thread, and that this isn't based on a lifetime achievement award because all these players will be on different teams against different teams, I feel like you are the one who is (use ur imagination as I don't feel like getting banned).
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