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Old 05-16-2008, 07:46 PM   #3401
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No, I do not know what you mean.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:47 PM   #3402
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there were some 80s and early 90s players who had injuries that might have been treated differently today, but i think this goes somewhat against the spirit of the league mostly because it adds another whole level of "what ifs"
Yeah, but what if you draft the Phoenix Suns medical staff?
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:48 PM   #3403
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Yeah, but what if you draft the Phoenix Suns medical staff?
Michael Jordan who? That would've been ezily the #1 pick IMO. Thread over at that point.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:49 PM   #3404
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Seriously? I mean Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudamire have already put up MVP type seasons and you're assuming that someone who has put up All Star type production for 1/4 of a season will be better? Thats not to mention other big men entering the league or guys like Bosh, Ming, etc.
Well, I already gave you DH, so we'll ignore that. Amare is unbelievably sick on offense, but he is ****ing terrible at defense playing at a position where defense is extremely valuable. I'm not saying Bynum is Bill Russell or anything, but he did ok for himself, and looked to be improving, plus he has a size advantage on Amare. When they played this season, Bynum destroyed him. And yes, Bynum is helped greatly by playing with Kobe (the selfishest player in history obv). If only Amare had someone who could get him the ball. When he went down, Bynum was well ahead of Amare in dunks. Why do I keep repeating this stuff about dunks? Because it's about as high % as you can get (only behind a Timmy playoff 3 at the buzzer), and getting a lot of dunks is a really good thing.

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Love the direction of that team. Sick defense.
This 2nd round has been very entertaining. Some great matchups so far.

Hill/Kemp
Sheed/GP
Chauncy/McHale

Keep it going guys!
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:49 PM   #3405
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I think it's interesting that Sheed, widely regarded as the best player of the famed Pistons starting five, went behind Billups and Ben, widely regarded as the worst player.
I don't think Sheed is considered to be better than Billups anymore.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:49 PM   #3406
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just saying ur example was flawed because u are comparing a healthy McHale with Bird to a hurt McHale without Bird and then trying to show that it sometimes doesn't matter about ur supporting cast ussage.
don't think I am. Didn't he bust his foot in '87?
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:50 PM   #3407
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I don't wanna give too much away, but doesn't that kinda remind you of another team that Rasheed plays on?
A lesser version of the 03-04 Pistons will not be the best team in the league.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:50 PM   #3408
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Between him and Nash it's going to take a while for them to heat up but you have basically a monstrous offensive duo (not great D but they can get some charges!) for a very long time.
All part of the plan baby!
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:51 PM   #3409
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And McHale...I think McHale was the 2nd best scorer out of PF/C in this entire draft.

1. Shaq
2. McHale
3. Barkley

Don't want to get into this argument (not interested in writing up a bunch if everyone agrees) but if someone wants to actually debate Barkley (or any other bigman) was better on offense let me know, the only thing Barkley had on McHale was longevity and that won't matter much in this league because McHale's foot injury was a freak accident/he didn't let it heal properly.
A debate??? Of course I'm up for it!

Barkley >> McHale on offense imo.

Let me hear it...
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:52 PM   #3410
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don't think I am. Didn't he bust his foot in '87?
Ya and then u brought up Bird being out in 88-89
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:52 PM   #3411
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(Payton was never that great of a passer)
Wait....what?
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:54 PM   #3412
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I'm not saying Malone and Stockton playing together isn't a + for each guy, but I don't think it's a HUGE factor. I mean I've seen arguments for both Malone and Stockton saying they'd never be all world without the other guy. That's ridiculous.

I can't name any guys so I won't, but there are lots of examples of great players getting split up and neither really dropping in production. If they raise it's usually just do to usage.

Take McHale and Bird. Bird missed the '88-'89 season. You'd expect McHale to step it up.. or perhaps you'd think losing Bird would make it too tough for him. Nope.. neither. Just about identical to his previous year.
This debate comes up all the time. You post this, I agree completely with you. Rinse and repeat a month later.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:54 PM   #3413
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I just remember so much of what Malone doing was greatly derived from one of the greatest passers of all time. Honestly, I think you put Kemp with Stockton (or Nash or Kidd) and you can pad up those stats all day.
I respectfully disagree. The reason that combo was so incredible was that Malone was deadly from 17ft and Stockton was deadly from everywhere, also Malone's wide body and strength allowed for some impossible picks to get around. Couple this with the fact that you've got two lights-out shooters and you've got a PnR that can roll either way.

Kemp a) was a horrible pick setter and b) had an inconsistent jumper for all but the very end of his career. Even in his prime, he couldn't touch Malone in the shooting department..

With a Stockton/Kemp PnR, you're only option is to have Kemp head to the basket. Malone could roll outside and hit the J just as efficiently.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:55 PM   #3414
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sheed + gp has to be the best trash talking duo in the league right?
2nd behind Rodman/Reggie imo
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:58 PM   #3415
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Also, to everyone talking about me having 2 guards, I was very close to taking a certain big man who will probably go shortly and would've made a great pick and roll combo for Nash. However, after some more research, I think there are plenty who aren't that much worse than him and Manu was too much to pass up.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:59 PM   #3416
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Only 19 more picks before I get my guy!!! Someone trade with me!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:59 PM   #3417
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Ya and then u brought up Bird being out in 88-89
busted it towards the end of '86-'87. Ignores docs and balls hard in the playoffs; loses to Lakers in 6.

Has surgery or whatever.

Back for the '87-'88 season, think he missed the first month or whatever. Plays 64 games post-injury, with Bird. Puts up very good numbers.

'88-'89 Bird is out.. McHale puts up pretty much identical numbers as the season before in 78 games.
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:00 PM   #3418
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drafting bynum is like staking a guy who went on a 200 hand heater, seriously.
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:01 PM   #3419
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I'll be glad to prove you right.
Sorry for dropping a player's name but I 'm not discussing him as a possible pick, so no harm done.
Bruce Bowen vs Manu Ginobili, last five years:
Drtg: 101,6 vs 97,4
DWS: 13,8 vs 11,9

As you see those two stats that have been used a lot in this thread gives a very clear edge to Bowen defensively, which is pretty ridiculous. So, we should be more careful with those weird stats IMO.
Ginobili is definitely above average. He gambles a lot though and he's allowed to do that thanks to Bowen locking up players and Duncan covering tht lane.
He's nowhere close to being elite and paired with Steve Nash you're not stoping a lot right now.
You do realize that a lower Drtg is better than a high one, right?
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:01 PM   #3420
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drafting bynum is like staking a guy who went on a 200 hand heater, seriously.
So dunking a basketball on NBA defenses is like hitting a bunch of flushdraws? Not exactly the same, but really ****ing similar, amirite?
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:02 PM   #3421
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Barkley was also a much better rebounder and passer than McHale was.
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:02 PM   #3422
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You do realize that a lower Drtg is better than a high one, right?
lol, i hate all the currently available defensive metrics (and most of the offensive ones too), but this is very amusing.
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:03 PM   #3423
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So dunking a basketball on NBA defenses is like hitting a bunch of flushdraws? Not exactly the same, but really ****ing similar, amirite?
omg this cracked me up so much NH and WP.
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omg this cracked me up so much NH and WP.
except the analogy is very poor.
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BTW I have a strange feeling that Assani is trying to trade up for my guy. Please, nobody trade with him.
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