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Old 05-16-2008, 06:00 PM   #3276
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:03 PM   #3277
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here's the thing. i think you're right about bynum's upside. very few have the capabilities that he has. "potential". that said, where he was, what he will be, what he can be - he'll fall somewhere within the triangle.

he has a long way to go, and his injury riddled past (and present) is not a good way to get there. i think you're overrating him in terms of bigmen, since I feel Dwight is for sure a step above (and not that close) and Amare
JFC you guys gotta edit your posts (i took out the bad parts)
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:04 PM   #3278
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20/8 will be a huge disappointment? What will be acceptable? 25/12? Basically at this point, you're saying that there's a > 50% chance he will be better than Duncan.

He could be great, but realistically, what are the chances, especially given his health.

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Old 05-16-2008, 06:04 PM   #3279
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i can't wait until next season when bynum is averaging like 30/15/4 and dwade is averaging like 35 a game, the heat and the lakers are both like undefeated at the all-star break and nopair is hailed as a genius, links this thread to nba execs and ends up landing the GM job with the knicks and they end up winning 15 straight championships. oh man you guys are all gonna feel like such pricks.
I'm going to start taking offers for a fun 08-09 wager. Here are the terms, which are unnegotiable. The price, however, is.

At the halfway point of next season (41 games, not the ASB), I'll take over 33.5 wins for LAL.

I can only push or win if the number of games missed due to injury from Kobe + Pau + Bynum > 15. If Pau goes down, though, and Kupcake is able to flip Chris Mihm for KG or something, the bet is off completely.

So start offering me odds and stakes. gogogooggo.


I'm completely serious when I say that, even in a monster monster WC, I think the Lakers have a good shot at the Bulls' win record.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:05 PM   #3280
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20/8 will be a huge disappointment? What will be acceptable? 25/12? Basically at this point, you're saying that there's a > 50% chance he will be better than Duncan.

He could be great, but realistically, what are the chances, especially given his health.

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Not great, but boy that kid has talent for ages. D12 is a freak and all, but Bynum's skill is miles ahead.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:07 PM   #3281
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why would he edit? oden can't be picked
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:10 PM   #3282
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:10 PM   #3283
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wow, i don't even know if i've heard of kevin nance. exhibit a why i never signed up.

and as proof, i thought it was kevin nance, when it's larry nance.

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Old 05-16-2008, 06:11 PM   #3284
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20/8 will be a huge disappointment? What will be acceptable? 25/12? Basically at this point, you're saying that there's a > 50% chance he will be better than Duncan.

He could be great, but realistically, what are the chances, especially given his health.

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Well, Duncan's a lot better than his numbers, which have also been slowed by pace, about as much relative to the current Lakers as they were to Nance's Suns. Offensively, yes, there's a good chance he will put up better numbers than Timmy. Does that mean he's better than Timmy? Not even close.

And the health concerns are a major issue; I'm not dodging that. That wouldn't make it any less disappointing, though.


As for him vs Amare: when Amare becomes more than half a player, I'll consider him in the discussion.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:11 PM   #3285
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you missed the [edit] name drop
lol so you call someone else out for dropping names by... repeating the names?
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:13 PM   #3286
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i figured you would read it immediately, was deleting in a couple minutes. i'm a homophobe so PMing was too close to first base for me
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:14 PM   #3287
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:15 PM   #3288
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Can't believe Manu fell so far, but I knew he'd get picked soon enough.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:17 PM   #3289
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i was curious when he would get picked, by the numbers, manu is very good (last two seasons 24+ PER in about 30 mpg, good DRtg/DWS)

also, worth noting is that as of right now, manu is the oldest player in the league
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:18 PM   #3290
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i was VERY close to taking manu..imo the second best pick of the round (after my own)
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:20 PM   #3291
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yeah Manu is sick sick sick. I actually really thought he was why Clark was so urgent to trade up.

I have to believe his limited minutes are due to actual limitations because it's not like he goes off for 40mpg in the playoffs, but either way he rules. I don't think he dropped insanely far, but much better than dudes like Melo and such.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:23 PM   #3292
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Awesome choice. No concern about pace. The Spurs actually run a very good fastbreak with TP and Manu. With Nash, it'll be nuts.

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i was curious when he would get picked, by the numbers, manu is very good (last two seasons 24+ PER in about 30 mpg, good DRtg/DWS)

also, worth noting is that as of right now, manu is the oldest player in the league
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:25 PM   #3293
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In our hypothetical league, each player you draft will be entering his prime. To avoid confusion, lets just say that you get each player at the age of 24. For current players who are younger than that, you get them at their current age. For players who didn't enter the NBA until later than age 24, you get them at the age in which they entered.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:25 PM   #3294
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The problem is that once a big man gets an injury the rate of re-injury is very high. I have been an avid NBA fan for about 30 years, and have seen many bigmen with numbers even bigger than Bynam was posting (for half a season) that got injured early and were never the same. I can think of a couple who were MVP candidates their first year or two, got injured, and were never the same. Bynum may not be this, but he has only had half a solid season, and I would say odds are > 25% the injury becomes chronic, and < 25% he becomes elite.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:28 PM   #3295
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I have my reservations about a team picking two guards in the first two rounds in this league, but Manu is still an awesome choice here. You absolutely needed an elite permieter defender after picking Nash, and you got one who is also a very complete offensive player.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:28 PM   #3296
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Manu, pssht. He cant even start on the spurs, so why are you taking a 6th man with your 2nd pick?
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:29 PM   #3297
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:30 PM   #3298
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In our hypothetical league, each player you draft will be entering his prime. To avoid confusion, lets just say that you get each player at the age of 24. For current players who are younger than that, you get them at their current age. For players who didn't enter the NBA until later than age 24, you get them at the age in which they entered.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:33 PM   #3299
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I am not a fan of the pairing of these two guards. How is Manu on defense? As far as I know it seems like this team has two massive holes on defense right now.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:33 PM   #3300
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dammit, gnob was my top choice here. dfsaljdasl;dasklsjdll
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