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Old 05-16-2008, 12:52 PM   #3126
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Re: Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion

Just dropping in to say what a sick pick Kemp was.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:05 PM   #3127
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Liked the DWill pick, although I think there are still some A list PG's out there. Hated Rodman and Wallace - I think there are players left with similar defensive strength that dont give you zero on offense like these guys. Don't love Melo, but his PER is actually better than I would have guessed.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:07 PM   #3128
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ZOMG PER!!!!
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:14 PM   #3129
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I'm going crazy on the multi-quote function now that I know how to use it, so hold on.


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Kemp gets you 6 years where he's probably one of the better guys at his position. The following guys taken before him will be better year-in, year-out though:

1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Dirk
4. Barkley
5. Dwight
6. McHale

Also guys like Amare, Brand, Gasol, Bosh, and Rodman have arguments for being better. Some of them are injury prone or young, though.
In his peak, Kemp was as good as any of those guys IMO (except Timmy and KG.) As good as Dirk, Barkley and McHale IMO. D12 is a center, not sure why you listed him. Also, for my team, there's no way that any of those guys except Timmy and KG are better fits.

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i considered deron with my first round pick.
As did I. Then I realized there were much better options. Still he rounded out my top 5.

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god damnit. thats who i wanted to trade up for. i dont want to trade up anymore. great pick, insane he slipped this far. he should've been gobbled up in the 1st round
LOL. I offered Bobbo a list of 15 players, said "pick one of those and if another one of the guys available on my list of 15 is available at your pick, we'll make the switch." Deron was on that list. Also, that list was contingent upon Kemp not being there.

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I think Deron was BPA a solid 5-10 picks ago. I have no ****ing clue why Epip traded up to get Billups instead of Deron. And he even knew Deron was better but tried to make some system BS argument
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hate pairing yao with a guy who can't hit threes.
I thought a lot about the 'Melo/Yao pairing and I'm not sure I like it as much any more, precisely because of this. Melo needs iso's. When Yao is in the game, he's a better iso player than Melo. That's a lot of toe-stepping. Also, the defense is incredibly weak. With Yao, Melo will likely play the 3, and that's a lot to ask considering how weak he is as a player besides his scoring.

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Clark,

I've toned down my love for PER. It is not ideal to compare players to each other.

However, it is incredibly good for tracking a players improvement and decline as he gets older and declines, respectively.
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tdarko has Marion and DWill?!!!!

<---holy instaboner!
Considering DWill has AK shooting 50%, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Marion will have some really good production. Look for him to start moping though when people say "Deron is the best player on tdarko's team" and Marion is like "But guys!!! I was his first pick!!!!"

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Just dropping in to say what a sick pick Kemp was.
TYTY

Also, this is important:

As far as injuries go, I consider someone like Paul or Deron to be as likely (and no more so) to get as injured as Hill or anyone else who suffered what I consider to be a freak injury. IMO people are still overrating the Hill injury. With today's medical advancements (think what would've happened to Amare had he suffered that injury a decade ago), I think Hill would've been fresh a year later. And if you don't think that injury hampered his career production, you're nuts. IMO I'm looking at a top player in the league for a solid decade.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:22 PM   #3130
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tbach- you will never take the post count lead in this thread using the multi-quote function like that!
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:23 PM   #3131
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Someone posted a scouting report of Hill coming out of college that listed him as injury prone.

The main point I have is that when you talk about Hill you act as if you are going to get all the best years and none of the worst.

Most people here would label him as injury prone. He may not get injured over 10 years, he may get injured in year three, who knows. Its still a risky pick.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:31 PM   #3132
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tbach- you will never take the post count lead in this thread using the multi-quote function like that!
trying to increase my TP%
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:34 PM   #3133
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:35 PM   #3134
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Someone posted a scouting report of Hill coming out of college that listed him as injury prone.

The main point I have is that when you talk about Hill you act as if you are going to get all the best years and none of the worst.

Most people here would label him as injury prone. He may not get injured over 10 years, he may get injured in year three, who knows. Its still a risky pick.
I agree with this
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:38 PM   #3135
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wherei s no pair parker when you need him...
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:44 PM   #3136
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I had no idea Anthony was so underrated on this board.
I mean somebody picked Gilbert Arenas five pick before him.
Think about it!
I hate the pairing with Ming though.
Ant to sergz: Mutombo+ Anthony would have been so much better combo
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:47 PM   #3137
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I had no idea Anthony was so underrated on this board.
I mean somebody picked Gilbert Arenas five pick before him.
Think about it!
I hate the pairing with Ming though.
Ant to sergz: Mutombo+ Anthony would have been so much better combo
Yao + Ray Allen is an example of a sweet combo offensively, and that combo defensively is better then Yao + Melo. Yao + Paul Pierce. etc.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:53 PM   #3138
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Also, I am sooooooooo glad I pulled out of this thing. I would be embarassing myself right now.
Haha, yea, there is definately a ton of criticism being tossed around by the minute in here. You have to know your stuff!
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:13 PM   #3139
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No seriously...where do I find how many posts people have in a thread. SERIOUSLY.

Also, I'm going to Georgetown for my cousins graduation this weekend so I'm not sure how my internet access is gonna be. I do have 2p2 on my cell though so at the very least I can prob get a pick in and add a writeup/pic later. Might just have my friend post it for me since I've narrowed it down to 3 guys.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:15 PM   #3140
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No seriously...where do I find how many posts people have in a thread. SERIOUSLY.
Click on the replies #
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:15 PM   #3141
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No seriously...where do I find how many posts people have in a thread. SERIOUSLY.
On the SE main page it shows all the threads and how many replies each has. Click on the number of replies to any thread and it will show how many replies everyone in the thread has.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:16 PM   #3142
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Click on the # of replies in the thread next to the thread title on the SE front page.

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Old 05-16-2008, 02:51 PM   #3143
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TY x3...I've been searching inside the thread trying to find something. Clearly it was something simple.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:56 PM   #3144
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11 picks yesterday, 0 today so far, wtf.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:00 PM   #3145
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11 picks yesterday, 0 today so far, wtf.
****ing no pair parker holding us up. he contributes little as well. ugh.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:02 PM   #3146
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wherei s no pair parker when you need him...
He was on this morning. I was discussing trade with him (no luck, he said trading was too complicated). So hopefully he will be able to pick soon.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:07 PM   #3147
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seems very unlikely I'll get to my pick before I head out for the weekend. It's even unlikely it reaches me by Saturday night. I'll be back on Sunday. I'm not sending out a long list of candidates if my pick is ~30 out when I'm leaving.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:08 PM   #3148
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=wallabe01

for the record, ben career wise over 22 games (decent sample) held shaq to 26/10.2/3 on 58.5% fg shooting and 8.4 fta per game. considering his career average over that stretch is 25.2/11.5/2.7 on 58% shooting and 10 fta per game, I think ben had very little defensive presence on shaq. this is no knock to him, obv, since he's a mega defender, but there just isnt ANYONE who matched up well on shaq.
Yao only averaged 14 and 10 vs Ben in 8 games vs 19 and 10 career avg. I dunno, like you say noboby can shut donw Shaq. Thats a great tool by the way.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:15 PM   #3149
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wow.. didn't see Bynum going. I Bynum and think he's going to be a mega stud, but this is easily the "riskiest" pick of the draft.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:15 PM   #3150
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wow Bynum was def not expectin him to go this early and LOL at not trading with Clark, you coulda easily gotten Bynum 10+ spots later and gotten extra draft picks.
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