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Old 05-15-2008, 06:18 PM   #2776
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Kemp was ... a guy who could flat out score.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:20 PM   #2777
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damn, meb killin in these last 2 posts. preach brutha.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:20 PM   #2778
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BigCat taking someone who isn't among the all-time greats or in the hall of fame in the early 2nd round is a mockery to the game of basketball imo
What about people who used top 20 picks on players that aren't among the all-time greats or in the hall of fame?
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:20 PM   #2779
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Yeah I figure Kemp's flare for all things bad will be cancelled out by mr goodie two shoes (is that the expression?) grant hill.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:21 PM   #2780
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What about people who used top 20 picks on players that aren't among the all-time greats or in the hall of fame?
He was being sarcastic because of BigCat's first pick James Worthy and his defense of the pick totally contradicts the Bosh pick
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:21 PM   #2781
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Was thinking last night about where Rodman would go. I'm gonna give it a thumbs-up for now.
Rodman was one of the three I wanted to trade up for. Post defense is so vital to winning. God, a Rodman/Duncan combo would've been sick on D and on the boards. Only two wanted players left....100% sure one of them won't slip to me at my pick, not sure about the other one. May still want to trade up if anyone wants to trade down. PM me if interested.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:22 PM   #2782
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He was being sarcastic because of BigCat's first pick James Worthy and his defense of the pick totally contradicts the Bosh pick
oh i missed that, heh. I did find the worthy/bosh combo to be kinda funny.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:24 PM   #2783
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searched shawn kemp and found these sneaks circa 1994. i totally remember kids wearing them.

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Old 05-15-2008, 06:24 PM   #2784
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I think I know at least one of the players Assani wants, and I'm willing to get into a bidding war. So, also PM if interested.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:25 PM   #2785
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IMO I have easily the best foundation at this point
Maybe. If you totally forget the negative aspects of Hill, which you shouldn't.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:25 PM   #2786
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I wouldnt bet against this, but do you think he wont finish in the top 3 because he wont deserve it or because the media is stupid? because... i wouldnt be surprised if in the next 5 years he has ONE season that is a top 3 season - but this doesn't mean he'll get media attention.
I don't think he'll ever have a top 3 season. Hes not a bad player, but 22/9/2/1 just isn't that great especially when you shoot under 50%(as a big man) and don't play great defense. Theres just too much other talent in the league who will have better seasons than him. Also he appears to have hit his peak as his last 3 years have been nearly identical, while other players are still trending upwards.


I'm probably coming across as bashing Bosh, and thats not my intention as I don't hate the pick though.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:26 PM   #2787
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oh i missed that, heh. I did find the worthy/bosh combo to be kinda funny.
What's funny?
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:27 PM   #2788
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:27 PM   #2789
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Unlike most, I actually have some "work" to do... The fact is Bosh is young, still rough around the edges but has the makings and tools to be a great leader and star in this league. His versatility at the 4 and 5 makes him a great value choice moving forward into the draft, he's definately more promising at the 4 spot. I don't think his defense is anything noteworthy but I also think that comparing him to a poor defender is unjust. Granted, there are plenty of guys on this list who are "one sided" players. I don't feel that the pick should require a lot of convincing, most guys thought I got him at a good spot, those who did not agree will not be getting any trade requests from me! lol peace out
Priorities man, priorities....

Also wtf...you're saying that you won't trade with people who disagreed with your pick???
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:28 PM   #2790
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I said I liked the Reggie pick in round one, given that we switched to reverse snake.

Then Rodman with the second pick? Ugh. Really hate that combo.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:29 PM   #2791
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I said I liked the Reggie pick in round one, given that we switched to reverse snake.

Then Rodman with the second pick? Ugh. Really hate that combo.
i wish i could just say people i would picture in my mind that would just "work" with Reggie, but it's against the rules, which is unfortunate, because it could spawn interesting discussion.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:29 PM   #2792
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searched shawn kemp and found these sneaks circa 1994. i totally remember kids wearing them.

I had these.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:32 PM   #2793
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a ton actually at the sg/sf spot bring this, although if he plays dumars at pg I love the pick a lot more which I think he will.
Heres a list of guards/SFs who have more All Defensive Teams than Dumars and are eligible for this draft:

Gary Payton
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd


and 3 players who havn't been drafted so I won't name them.

None of these 6 players come close to being able to score as efficiently as Dumars while shooting a decent number of shots.


Dumars was an elite defender and an elite efficient bulk scorer. There are other guys who are decent at those two things, but in this draft you need elite not just merely good as your best players. I still think Dumars is a great pick and way undervalued by everyone bashing him here.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:33 PM   #2794
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Priorities man, priorities....

Also wtf...you're saying that you won't trade with people who disagreed with your pick???
No... it's just that if they are hating on the Bosh pick then they probably won't be offering me trades for him...
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:34 PM   #2795
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assani,

stop alluding to what and who you want plz. Not just busting your balls either. It's the same as hinting imo
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:35 PM   #2796
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lol at the idea of McHale being underrated, if anything he's grossly overrated by the people in this draft, but I should have known better since half of you are Celtics fans. It makes me almost want to give up already considering some of the ******ed bias that will be involved.
I never said McHale was underrated in this draft, although he is def underrated in most peoples eyes (not the people in this draft tho since most of them think he is sick).

He was very underutilized throughout his career cause he was on a stacked team and also played the 6th man role too.

He could easily have been the #1 option on a championship team assuming you put the right parts around him.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:35 PM   #2797
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Then I realized that Rodman was 25 as a rookie, didn't hit the start of his peak until 29, rarely ever played even near a full season, and has a career PER of 14.6, which made me completely fall out of love with him. Rodman should actually really drag a team down in this format especially as high as he went.
Rodman was very efficient on offense and was a good passer...I don't think he would hurt your O at all. And he was underutilized at the beginning of his career, and that doesn't mean that he wasn't good right away imo. Moreover he was always a great defender...he just didn't get recognized for it with All Defensive Teams until later in his career.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:37 PM   #2798
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Heres a list of guards/SFs who have more All Defensive Teams than Dumars and are eligible for this draft:

Gary Payton
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd


and 3 players who havn't been drafted so I won't name them.

None of these 6 players come close to being able to score as efficiently as Dumars while shooting a decent number of shots.


Dumars was an elite defender and an elite efficient bulk scorer. There are other guys who are decent at those two things, but in this draft you need elite not just merely good as your best players. I still think Dumars is a great pick and way undervalued by everyone bashing him here.
Eh I have revealed way too much of my strat as is, so I will keep my mouth shut until after the draft. Remind me to talk about this topic somemore when the draft is in its final rounds/over.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:38 PM   #2799
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i wish i could just say people i would picture in my mind that would just "work" with Reggie, but it's against the rules, which is unfortunate, because it could spawn interesting discussion.
just bring it up later on once they're drafted
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:39 PM   #2800
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with all due respect i think i have the best foundation

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